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Looks like you will ride in a Nitro soon.It's a nice vehicle but honestly I wouldn't exchange it for amy Pat.Keep your Nitro and I'll still wave at you.
What..? I would never buy a Nitro; it's not my style and it eats too much gas. And I think the Patriot is a much more attractive vehicle.

However, judging from what I see on the roads, my guess would have to be that the Nitro is selling better because I see a lot more of them. That's the point I was trying to make. Been seeing a lot of Calibers and HHRs, too. So far, only one Patriot.
 
Really I don't see that many Nitro's in my area at all. I do see a one or two here and there, but never a whole fleet of them on the roads like you would with the new JK or my KJ's.
 
Is the '08 Liberty the New Nitro?

Hmmm, this should get interesting. From preview looks at the 08 Liberty, it sure looks like it is based on the Nitro.

Could the Nitro stance get a facelift and call it the Liberty? Just might.
 
I must be a freak, because I actually like the Sebring and think it is a nice departure from the "bars of soap on wheels" of the previous model. I also liked the Nitro until I drove one. I have been a Mopar guy since driving-age back in the early eighties and jumped onto Jeep after getting into a 97 Cherokee. That was the model year Chrysler updated the electrical system to post WWII, stiffened the body, took 200 pounds out of the dashboard, improved the seating position and added a steel liftgate. Basically, I think they fixed a lot of what I didn't like in the earlier Cherokee but retaining its character. I realise that is the opinion of a Mopar guy, and there are many Jeep fans that could write volumes on how Chrysler ruined Jeep. It's a mixed bag, because I can see where they have in some ways, and I didn't like the move away from the Jeep philosophy of rugged simplicity and solid axels. I never warmed up to the too-tall rounded Liberty and the popping ball joints (thank you Chrysler) or the fancy Grand Cherokee. And when I needed to haul seven, I couldn't afford a Commander and bought a Durango for half the price.

I really love my Patriot though which started with me liking the Caliber. By the time I was back in the market to buy a car to drive to work, I had the Caliber, Sebring, Avenger, Mazda 3, 4 door Wrangler and Patriot on my list. The problem was finding a Patriot to look at! But when I did, the Caliber faded, the Sebring/Avenger were more expensive, the Mazda was forgotten and the Wrangler was deemed impractical. The choice was easy and painless.

As for fixing the problem? I guess sell more Avengers than Sebrings or emphasise the convertible feature. Take the Nitro concept and put it on the Caliber/Patriot platform to compete with the HHR, XB, PT Cruiser etc. They could axe the Compass and use the production capability to make a Nitro/Caliber/Patriot. I think with 27 mpg, it would be a hit. Take the new Liberty (an improvement) and put it on a Wrangler platform to replace the old Cherokee. Take the Commander and the Grand Cherokee and cross-pollinate them into a mid-size SUV with Commander sqaurish styling and GC mileage and performance with an option for 3rd row seating.

I would have liked to see some of the Nitro interior styling used in the Patriot. The Nitro looked a little more Jeepish inside, and the Patriot looks a little too Dodge-ish. The Patriot should have had Wrangler styled door handles and stuff. The current ones are pretty car like.

So the Sebring is really that ugly?

DJP
 
No the Sebring isn't really that ugly... Admitedly - I worked on the JS (sebring code) while I was at DCX. I did the IP.
 
I saw another Sebring today on my way to work, and I think I like them more than the Avenger. The hood doesn't even bother me that much to the point that I would say I like it. They actually look as though they were going for an Audi styling cue.
 
I think it's the headlights and grille treatment that ruin the font end. Thank goodness I worked on the insturment panel
 
You know the sebring hood looks like it met up with the Patriot muffler.
 
I saw a sebring today, and it looked like it had an identical muffler as the Patriot. Are these muffler's suppose to improve performance or decrease exhaust sound? The muffler's are unusual looking.:confused:

Hey djp_63, great ideas. Chrysler should be the upscale version of the company, ala lexus, infiniti, cadillac, etc. Dodge should be the aggressive brand with cool products. And Jeep, should just be Jeep that everyone knows. All of this cross platform & rebadging doesn't really distinguish the brands.

Perhaps Mercedes wanted to be the upscale version, and all of chrysler's products were suppose to be volume selling? I do agree with you in that at least the new sebring looks better than the old one. The avenger is better looking than the stratus. They made very small strides, however.

The Jeep Patriot is definitely the best MK, and a great new product. At least they have some direction. So if the dodge nitro failed, and the 2008 liberty is basically the same thing....what will happen to the liberty? Will it get the axe?
 
The Sebring and Avenger are also built on the Caliber/Patriot/Compass platform (thus the muffler) which gives them the more upright look as opposed to the low-rider Civic approach. When I test drove a Civic, I nearly fell into it, then to only be frightened by that two-tiered binnacle instrument panel deal. I am curious if they will be putting CVTs in the Sebring and Avenger?

Srothfuss, I think the Sebring grille looks okay. However, even though I think our Durango (04) is a stylish departure from the bread-and-butter truck-with-windows-over-the-bed architecture typical in SUV styling, it has a few issues where the front fender transitions, or not, into the front facia. Someone just lost the vision there and filled in the blank. I can't remember the interior of the Sebring that much, but I do remember wishing it had the larger white-faced gauges like the Caliber that Chrysler had been using. I can see them better and have a bit of European flavour. My overall impression was that the outside looked better than the inside. I think the Patriot has an appropriate interior for what it is and I like it. I think it could have been more Jeep-like though and I also would have liked larger white-faced gauges in it. I also prefer a separate switch for the lights and fog lamps to be on the dash to be activated with the left hand (I am a traditionalist) and don't care for the twenty-things-on-a-stick concept. I know I'm being picky, but I am a mechanical engineer and have to deal with this stuff all the time in different applications.

DJP
 
All valid points you make and a few I struggled with over the last couple years:

1) The insturment cluster housing, gauges are all common between the MK, PM and JS vehicles. Only the font and coloring changes for each vehicle

The issue with the gauge height is in the execution of the cluster "cannons" that lead to the indicators themselves. Myself and a few other guys labored for weeks on getting the most viewing angle out of the cannons without comprimising the designers vision. We got close - but the added depth that the cannons give you make the gauges look kind of small.

Oh the stories I could tell!

I had nothing to do with the foglights... I tried getting a cubby bin next to the knee blocker on the JS but it was too expensive to make against the cost targets we had to meet.
 
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