Researching the Jeep Patriot.

Patriot-PA- · Mar 11, 2009

UPKEV said:
Tires. I can't say for the patriot yet, but I can tell you that when I switched my neon tires from the stock goodyears, to dunlp signatures I was just floored by the winter capability of that all season tire. They were beasts in the snow without having to mess with swapping out snow tires. They are the best all-seaon tire I have ever owned.

Side note, there are mostly FDI's up here that do fine and dandy all winter.

Hello again UPKEV, does Dunlp make all seasons for the Patriot?

UPKEV said:
I am a big sandstone fan. That is the color I would have had in a perfect world. I have silver it is my second favorite and I lucked out that dealer had what I wanted in a silver so that is how I ended up with silver. The Jeep Green is just classic, can't go wrong with that either.

What color interior do you think is the best?

UPKEV · Mar 11, 2009

Patriot-PA- said:
Hello again UPKEV, does Dunlp make all seasons for the Patriot?

What color interior do you think is the best?

The dunlop signatures are all-season, and I think they come in the pats size. Just go to their web site and plug in the tire size. The stock tires probably work good enough, to change the tires out before they are worn well would be in the category of, "luxury."

I don't know which tires you will get. If you get a limited you might be getting SR-As in the wheel in tire group even without an FDII. Otherwise I don't really know what tires you get or how well they perform.

Mine came with the slate gray interior. If I had the beige color the gray would probably annoy me. Other than that it is pure opinion and what ever strikes your fancy.

I think the active 4WD will help offset any deficiencies is stock tires. While the tires can be improved by upgrading it isn't like the vehicle isn't capable out of the box. It is.

Boy George · Mar 11, 2009

Hi PA, regarding the tires, I would never go with any kind of all seasons - they`re not particularly good in any season. I appreciate you concern about the tires, because some people don`t care and put anything on their ride, not realizing that the few square inches of rubber are the only means which connect their 2 ton vehicle to the road and sometimes, in a critical situation, may be literally a matter of life and death. So saving or compromising on tires is a hazard with your safety.
My Pat came with summer Continentals, I don`t remember the exact type right now but I did check them out on the internet for reviews and tests to find out that they are one of the best around, so I was happy. Before winter I searched the internet again for quality winter tires. There are loads of e-shops so it was easy - I put the manufacturer`s specified tire size for the Patriot (215/60/R17) and out popped a list of available tires and manufactures. But in that size the choice wasn`t so big - only 3 or 4 types. Then I went to reviews and test pages again to learn how each one scored and finaly decided on Dunlops SP Winter Sport 3M - these had very good results in all respects and were on sale at one of the e-shops so I ordered them right away. My experience with them during this winter is excelent :smiley_thumbs_up:

Patriot-PA- · Mar 11, 2009

UPKEV said:
The dunlop signatures are all-season, and I think they come in the pats size. Just go to their web site and plug in the tire size. The stock tires probably work good enough, to change the tires out before they are worn well would be in the category of, "luxury."

I don't know which tires you will get. If you get a limited you might be getting SR-As in the wheel in tire group even without an FDII. Otherwise I don't really know what tires you get or how well they perform.

Mine came with the slate gray interior. If I had the beige color the gray would probably annoy me. Other than that it is pure opinion and what ever strikes your fancy.

I think the active 4WD will help offset any deficiencies is stock tires. While the tires can be improved by upgrading it isn't like the vehicle isn't capable out of the box. It is.

It depends what the dealer is willing to do. As of now we plan on changing out the tires after the stock tires get worn out, otherwise that would be throwing money away. I will remember the Dunlop name.

Patriot-PA- · Mar 11, 2009

Boy George said:
Hi PA, regarding the tires, I would never go with any kind of all seasons - they`re not particularly good in any season. I appreciate you concern about the tires, because some people don`t care and put anything on their ride, not realizing that the few square inches of rubber are the only means which connect their 2 ton vehicle to the road and sometimes, in a critical situation, may be literally a matter of life and death. So saving or compromising on tires is a hazard with your safety.
My Pat came with summer Continentals, I don`t remember the exact type right now but I did check them out on the internet for reviews and tests to find out that they are one of the best around, so I was happy. Before winter I searched the internet again for quality winter tires. There are loads of e-shops so it was easy - I put the manufacturer`s specified tire size for the Patriot (215/60/R17) and out popped a list of available tires and manufactures. But in that size the choice wasn`t so big - only 3 or 4 types. Then I went to reviews and test pages again to learn how each one scored and finaly decided on Dunlops SP Winter Sport 3M - these had very good results in all respects and were on sale at one of the e-shops so I ordered them right away. My experience with them during this winter is excelent :smiley_thumbs_up:

Good advice, thanks B George. These "Dunlops SP Winter Sport 3M" I guess are just snow tires. I don't know about all seasons, we went through some bad snow with the all season tires on our Ridgeline, it never got stuck even though it did skid on a few occasions. I am so concerned with the Patriot tires because this vehicle cost about $10k less than our Ridgeline, I just worry Jeep might of cut corners with the tires.

So the next winter will be the judge of the base tires. Still I will search the internet with the data you gave me to get an idea, thanks again George.

Boy George · Mar 12, 2009

Patriot-PA- said:
Good advice, thanks B George. These "Dunlops SP Winter Sport 3M" I guess are just snow tires...

PA, quality winter type tires are good not only for snow, but also for icey, wet and dry road conditions. The grooves and compounds they`re made of are quite different and softer than summer tires and their handling and grip on any given road condition, especially below about 7 degrees (Celsius), is far superior to any summer or so called all season universal tires.

Patriot-PA- · Mar 12, 2009

Boy George said:
PA, quality winter type tires are good not only for snow, but also for icey, wet and dry road conditions. The grooves and compounds they`re made of are quite different and softer than summer tires and their handling and grip on any given road condition, especially below about 7 degrees (Celsius), is far superior to any summer or so called all season universal tires.

So really all-season tires are BS. You've given me something to think about, we might just get winter tires.

UPKEV · Mar 12, 2009

Patriot-PA- said:
So really all-season tires are BS. You've given me something to think about, we might just get winter tires.

How bad are your winters? How much snow do you get down there? Do ou live where roads are usually plowed or on back or country roads? These are just some questions you can ask yourself.

All-season tires are typically known as 3 season, but they aren't BS. Winter tires are a good idea, I am not knocking them. Just pointing out that I have never had snow tires and haven't really had major problems, but I am not against trying them someday and life might be more enjoyable with them minus the hassle of putting them on, taking them off, and storing them.

There was a thread, maybe you can find it searching, a while back maybe almost a year ago about snow tires vs. all season.

APT · Mar 12, 2009

The best all season tires are better than any snow tire on dry and wet roads, basically, any road condition when the temperature is higher than freezing. You aren't going to change tires every other day from snows to summer or snows to all-seasons. Can I ask what aspect of tires has been insufficient in the Ridgeline for example? I don't know what model they have, but it is some kind of Michelin tire. While Michelin makes generally above average tires for most of the models, there are even better all-season tires available that make more sense for most people from a cost/benefit ratio.

All season are not 3-season. 3-season = Summer tire.

Anyway, whatever new vehicle you(r parents) purchase, drive with the OEM tires for at least the first winter. If you/they find faults with them, then upgrade to better all-seasons.

You can see how the Goodyear Wrangler SR-A (Off Road and Wheel/tire group) compares to its competition. Likewise, the Firestone Affinity 215/60R17. For kicks, take a look at my OEM 18" Firestone GTAs. While we've only had something like 60" of snow this year, my crappy tires still makes it through 10" of unplowed streets.

Patriot-PA- · Mar 12, 2009

UPKEV said:
How bad are your winters? How much snow do you get down there? Do ou live where roads are usually plowed or on back or country roads? These are just some questions you can ask yourself.

All-season tires are typically known as 3 season, but they aren't BS. Winter tires are a good idea, I am not knocking them. Just pointing out that I have never had snow tires and haven't really had major problems, but I am not against trying them someday and life might be more enjoyable with them minus the hassle of putting them on, taking them off, and storing them.

There was a thread, maybe you can find it searching, a while back maybe almost a year ago about snow tires vs. all season.

It depends, we usually get bad snow storms. On average we get about 6-12 inches of snow when we get a storm. We live in a community so the plows come around, but sometimes if it is bad they are nearly useless since the snow comes down so fast. I did some research on the All Season tires on the Patriot, and my finding are inconclusive. From searching this website some people seem to be happy with them, while others think they can be served better with upgraded tires.

APT said:
The best all season tires are better than any snow tire on dry and wet roads, basically, any road condition when the temperature is higher than freezing. You aren't going to change tires every other day from snows to summer or snows to all-seasons. Can I ask what aspect of tires has been insufficient in the Ridgeline for example? I don't know what model they have, but it is some kind of Michelin tire. While Michelin makes generally above average tires for most of the models, there are even better all-season tires available that make more sense for most people from a cost/benefit ratio.

All season are not 3-season. 3-season = Summer tire.

Anyway, whatever new vehicle you(r parents) purchase, drive with the OEM tires for at least the first winter. If you/they find faults with them, then upgrade to better all-seasons.

You can see how the Goodyear Wrangler SR-A (Off Road and Wheel/tire group) compares to its competition. Likewise, the Firestone Affinity 215/60R17. For kicks, take a look at my OEM 18" Firestone GTAs. While we've only had something like 60" of snow this year, my crappy tires still makes it through 10" of unplowed streets.

I see what you mean about the all seasons vs. the snow tires. Our Ridgeline with the stock all season tires (I have to look at them to get the make) never seems to get stuck in snow. At worse we had to lock the rear differential but we never needed to get out of the truck to dig out the tires or use cat litter. The weak point was probably traction, when we hit on the brakes during icy conditions the truck would skid a bit. I know this will happen on ice with any vehicle, but that is the only weak point I could find with the tires.

We are trying to find a balance of snow traction and ice traction. My father isn't too keen on getting snow tires right now due to the extra cost and hassle of changing the tires. When he bought his first car he used to change between all season and snow tires, but he had separate rims for each set so he could install the tires himself. Alloy rims are not cheap, and getting a tire place to switch the tires twice a year isn't cheap either. So we are going to take your advice and try the first winter with stock tires, if worse comes to worse we will look at the tires you recommended and make a decision.

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