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Ok, so I got my new 2015 patriot about a week ago. It is my first car and first time driving manual. I managed to figure out how to drive it successfully without stalling/and or excessive tire spin into 1st gear. However I am curious since many drivetrains are different, what would be the optimal RPM area for shifting gears on the patriot? I am guessing in the 1500-2500 RPM range, but I am still uncertain. There has been lots of conflicting information with some people recommending anywhere from 1500-4000. Which RPM shift range would be optimal for minimizing wear on the clutch on this drivetrain?

Thanks.
 
For the least wear, I can't say. However, I do know best torque comes at roughly 4500RPM on the CVT versions like mine, and from my time in CDL training, I know double-clutching is supposed to be better for a manual tranny. Basically clutch-neutral-clutch-nextgear. Kinda tricky and requires a slightly higher shift point than gliding or regular "slip-shifting".
 
For normal driving I would guess that most shifting in a patriot would be between 1750-3000rpm, I see pretty good efficiency and power in that range on mine with a CVT.

maybe up to 3500-4000rpms on a hill or for passing. I would love to test drive a 5 speed since my LeBaron has a manual transmission and I love it.
 
I have a 4x2 manual Patriot, here's my experience... YMMV.

Anything less than 1800-2000 RPM with a load on the engine causes it to bog. I try to keep my RPM over 2k, unless I'm idling or cruising in 5th.

You start to hit peak torque about 3800-4000 RPM, when the intake flapper valves open. The engine will pull hard up to about 5000, then begins to fall on its face as it approaches 5500. By the time you hit redline (about 6k) you're out of gearing and should've shifted already. Of course, for daily driving, you don't NEED to run it out this high, as there's plenty of torque for regular driving under 3500 RPM.

Upshifting is best anywhere between 3000-5000 rpm. You can certainly upshift before that, but if you shift before hitting about 3k, the engine RPM drop to less than 2k, and you bog the engine (as mentioned above).

For downshifting, everyone has their own preferences. I have a bad habit of heel-toeing my downshifts (i know, i know, it's not a racecar), but I spent years without doing so as well. If you rev-match on your downshifts, I tend to do this: clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, rev to about 4k, clutch in, downshift, clutch out. If you can do this quickly enough, you'll have nice smooth downshifts and save the synchros a bit of wear and tear.

For what its worth, some people have stretched their clutch out past 120k. Mine needed replacement at about 80k, but as you can surmise, I'm probably harder on mine than most people.

Hope this helps.
 
the best way is to listen to the engine.. if u dont want to waste gasoline to let the engine moan alot....:D

when cruising, if are not in a hurry and need to keep consumption low the best is 5th gear little before 3000 rpm and about 119 Km/hour when you exceed 3000 rpm consumption rises significantly
(the cvt guys have around 140km/h with 3000 rpm cause the cvt in a sense has a 6th ratio- besides the low gear-)

otherwise on normal drive in asphalt i try to switch gear around 2500 rpm to keep consumption low. On the other hand don drive with very low rpm (eg 1500) cause again u are wasting gasoline since the engine is having hard time to move the patriot


WHen u have to pass a harsh obtacle then max torque is around 4500 rpms. Though keeping hig rpms when ur car is bogged down harasses ur clutch ...

When u have to overtake max Horse power is 6500 rpm (or 6000 dont remember that well)

If u look the power graph of the patriot engine outpout at the usual rpms (ie around 2500-3000 u are using around 102 HP)
 
Thanks everyone. I have tested much of your advice while driving and I can say that the shifting has gotten a lot easier, not to mention smoother. Kudos all!
Am curious. Any whine while in gear? At any speeds? Mine whines most of the time and dealer says normal since I bought it new.
 
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It depends what you mean by 'whine'. If you mean some kind of high pitched engine noise, no I don't have any of that. There is a lot of road noise, and as I understand such is the way of the patriot, but the only thing I can think of that comes remotely close to a noticeable whine is when I accelerate in reverse. I also recall that while I was learning manual I would accidentally throw it in 5th gear alot while trying to get into 3rd and the jeep would struggle with the under revs and vibrate the car; still no whine though....
 
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5 posts achieved....linking ability unlocked....sheesh.

Silverflash, found this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOX-ufuwYiE

Is this what you are experiencing?

Are you driving manual? It seems some CVT users have the same issue.

http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16231

Probably would be good to start a topic of your own regarding this problem, maybe even upload a video to youtube, as there are plenty of experts on this forum far smarter than me that could probably help you out.

Hope this helps.
 
5 posts achieved....linking ability unlocked....sheesh.

Silverflash, found this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOX-ufuwYiE

Is this what you are experiencing?

Are you driving manual? It seems some CVT users have the same issue.

http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16231

Probably would be good to start a topic of your own regarding this problem, maybe even upload a video to youtube, as there are plenty of experts on this forum far smarter than me that could probably help you out.

Hope this helps.
I did start a topic on this way back. Seems some people have it and others don't. I am talking manual trans here in terms of the whine. Two different dealers told me normal. I get the whine in all gears while hitting throttle and while cruising on interstate at 70. Whine only happens when on gas pedal. Hasn't got worse in 36000 miles so maybe it is in specs. Rolling one window down "fixes" problem. Lol. I have noticed that the whine sometimes isn't there. Perhaps its a temperature or humidity thing as ot seems random to me.

As far as when to shift, smoothest shifts will happen at higher tpms. If I am not on a schedule, I will shift at 2000 rpm. If I am trying to get somewhere quick then 3000 tpms or so. The funny thing is that when I drive it up to my property in mountains, I am in 1st and locked 4x4 and it pulls at times without me hitting gas up a slight incline. Tpms are like 1000 @ most when that happens. It doesn't shake or buck when it does that either. That's a good characteristic of the vehicle with a stick.

The whine may be due to lack of sound deadening or trans mount material maybe???
 
Idk if the Patriot 5-spd is an Eaton Fuller tranny, but I do remember a whining experience of sorts with a manual. Difference is, my experience was in a Kenworth T660 with a Cummins engine and an Eaton Fuller transmission under the hood. In case of not knowing, Eaton Fuller makes manual transmissions for nearly all 18-wheelers on the road today. I have no idea if they make trannys for vehicles under 10k pounds, but they do have a defensive driving course involving vehicles that size. Anyways, back to the story. After picking the truck up in Ohio and taking it on the road, I found that when accellerating in higher gears at higher speeds, the truck would make a whining/moaning noise, almost like I was blowing the horn or something. I assumed it was the turbo gasping for air in a truck with nearly a million miles on it, but now I wonder if it was the transmission. After some time with the truck hauling across Kansas and New Mexico the next 2400 miles, I noticed it had the problem a bit worse in hotter temperatures, but would haul much easier once it dropped below 70F.
 
Ok, so I got my new 2015 patriot about a week ago. It is my first car and first time driving manual. I managed to figure out how to drive it successfully without stalling/and or excessive tire spin into 1st gear. However I am curious since many drivetrains are different, what would be the optimal RPM area for shifting gears on the patriot? I am guessing in the 1500-2500 RPM range, but I am still uncertain. There has been lots of conflicting information with some people recommending anywhere from 1500-4000. Which RPM shift range would be optimal for minimizing wear on the clutch on this drivetrain?

Thanks.
When shifting a manual you shouldn't be using a specific RPM to shift at...You will never be driving anywhere when all the variables will be the exact same. You should be shifting by feel and noise. If you're in the mood to accelerate faster let it go longer/louder. If you're looking for smoothness try to get somewhere in between. If you're trying to hypermile it depends on the car, sometimes accelerating up to speed rapidly and throwing it in the highest gear to put put along works best, sometimes driving very slowly up to speed without going over 1600rpm works best. Try different techniques and track your MPG at the pump, you might be surprised. If I baby my CVT the MPG tanks, also if I flog on it, but you get the picture. Add in some hills, maybe some ice, or rain, temperature fluctuations...... Shift when you feel that your acceleration is acceptable and learn how much each gear change affects your acceleration or deceleration and you'll soon know what gear you're in just by listening, viewing the speedometer and feeling what your car does when you apply the accelerator or let off. There are cars out there that don't even have tachometers from the factory.
 
We had 150 k miles on our 2008 with the 5 speed MT and no clutch or tranny problems. It always did make a slight whine but only when coasting and never with acceleration or the foot on the gas pedal. I didn't use a heavy foot on the gas but would rather let it rev up before shifting probably over 3 k rpm from 1st to 2nd as that was the stickiest gear shift. By sticky I mean there was a slight pause or notch on the shift half way between 1st and 2nd. I was probably under 3 k for the other shift points but I don't remember because they were smoother. I notice that our new Patriot with the 6 speed automatic seems to operate at lower rpms than the 5 speed MT.
 
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When shifting a manual you shouldn't be using a specific RPM to shift at...You will never be driving anywhere when all the variables will be the exact same. You should be shifting by feel and noise. If you're in the mood to accelerate faster let it go longer/louder. If you're looking for smoothness try to get somewhere in between. If you're trying to hypermile it depends on the car, sometimes accelerating up to speed rapidly and throwing it in the highest gear to put put along works best, sometimes driving very slowly up to speed without going over 1600rpm works best. Try different techniques and track your MPG at the pump, you might be surprised. If I baby my CVT the MPG tanks, also if I flog on it, but you get the picture. Add in some hills, maybe some ice, or rain, temperature fluctuations...... Shift when you feel that your acceleration is acceptable and learn how much each gear change affects your acceleration or deceleration and you'll soon know what gear you're in just by listening, viewing the speedometer and feeling what your car does when you apply the accelerator or let off. There are cars out there that don't even have tachometers from the factory.

That's actually a very good summation of what I have mostly been experiencing intuitively for the last couple of days. In that, driving manual seems to be more of a visceral relationship with the car taking more on the form of art rather than procedure. It is a work in motion, and practice. Thanks for the description, it helped articulate better what I had felt rather than thought.

The whine may be due to lack of sound deadening or trans mount material maybe???
Possibly. My best guess is that its an issue with the transmission, which seems to be a common problem across the jeep line and especially with CVT's. But then I am no expert so I don't know absolutely what the real issue at hand is. I wonder, does temperature effect its prevalence? IE: Do cold temperatures produce less whine? I am really at the end of any expertise I could offer you. I have little experience with car mechanics.
 
That's actually a very good summation of what I have mostly been experiencing intuitively for the last couple of days. In that, driving manual seems to be more of a visceral relationship with the car taking more on the form of art rather than procedure. It is a work in motion, and practice. Thanks for the description, it helped articulate better what I had felt rather than thought.
And I barely got B's in all my English/writing classes:D. Guess it just has to be a passionate topic, I miss driving stick.:(

Possibly. My best guess is that its an issue with the transmission, which seems to be a common problem across the jeep line and especially with CVT's. But then I am no expert so I don't know absolutely what the real issue at hand is. I wonder, does temperature effect its prevalence? IE: Do cold temperatures produce less whine? I am really at the end of any expertise I could offer you. I have little experience with car mechanics.
Is it only in 1rst or only in reverse? Reverse is notorious as it uses straight cut gears instead of helical ones. The straight cut gears are much noisier but stronger when they get small such as first and reverse. You can hear your transfer case whine when it gets up to speed in low range as I believe those are straight cut as well(In normal 4x4's anyways...Pat doesn't have a transfer case...).
 
Just going around town in no big hurry but not driving like an old lady, I shift from 1-2 and 2-3 between 2400-2800 or so, 3-4 whenever I'm as fast as I want to go. If I get out on the highway and need to merge off a ramp I'll stretch it out to shift anywhere between 3500-5000, depending on how fast I need to be.
my mpgs are pretty constant..22-23 in total city driving and 27-33 on the highway.
 
Idk if the Patriot 5-spd is an Eaton Fuller tranny, but I do remember a whining experience of sorts with a manual. Difference is, my experience was in a Kenworth T660 with a Cummins engine and an Eaton Fuller transmission under the hood. In case of not knowing, Eaton Fuller makes manual transmissions for nearly all 18-wheelers on the road today. I have no idea if they make trannys for vehicles under 10k pounds, but they do have a defensive driving course involving vehicles that size. Anyways, back to the story. After picking the truck up in Ohio and taking it on the road, I found that when accellerating in higher gears at higher speeds, the truck would make a whining/moaning noise, almost like I was blowing the horn or something. I assumed it was the turbo gasping for air in a truck with nearly a million miles on it, but now I wonder if it was the transmission. After some time with the truck hauling across Kansas and New Mexico the next 2400 miles, I noticed it had the problem a bit worse in hotter temperatures, but would haul much easier once it dropped below 70F.
Nope. It's a Magna/New Venture Gear T355.
 
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