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I'm still not too sure about that PT Cruiser Dashboard!!
 
The photos that it lists don't do too much for the Pat, do they? Almost everybody on this site has done more with a Patriot than just drive it along a snowy road__except, of course, those guys who live in Greece or Key West, but even they've found boulder-fields to scramble over or beach sand to snuffle through.

Rocal
 
It seems our reviewer did not know what they wanted.

If it is an off-road then review the off-road capabilities. If it is a mall crawler review then review the on street capabilities.

Pro classic Jeep design = Con penny pinched interior
If we like the utilitarian nature of the Jeep then we expect the occasional bit of plastic.

Low fuel economy - it was driven for a week in 4X4 mode mostly in snow, some of our New England friends could remind us what the average temp was during January in that part of the country. There are lots of threads on the performance of the Pat in cold weather due to the large front exposure, air intake temp, etc.

Loudly pegged near redline - gee maybe I have to go out and redline my PAT to hear this awful noise. I expect to hear some noise when I am accelerating (say 3000 to 4000 rpm), i call it audio sensory feedback.

There is a thread on why we all bought a Patriot, with tons of "in the eye of the beholder" qualities. I dunno know maybe I am just getting cranky about these reviews now that I have actually owned a Pat for a couple of months.

Happy with my decision and great to continue to read those that post their one two and three year reviews.:smiley_thumbs_up:
 
Low fuel economy - it was driven for a week in 4X4 mode mostly in snow, some of our New England friends could remind us what the average temp was during January in that part of the country. There are lots of threads on the performance of the Pat in cold weather due to the large front exposure, air intake temp, etc.
Well, I live near the shore in Connecticut, which is normally the warmest area of the region and we had numerous below freezing days (for about two weeks it never made it past 30 degrees F). Judging by the pictures in the review I would say they're in Northern New England (there hasn't been that much standing snow in Southern New England since December) which would be about 5-10 degrees colder then New Haven.
 
It seems our reviewer did not know what they wanted.

If it is an off-road then review the off-road capabilities. If it is a mall crawler review then review the on street capabilities.

Pro classic Jeep design = Con penny pinched interior
If we like the utilitarian nature of the Jeep then we expect the occasional bit of plastic.

Low fuel economy - it was driven for a week in 4X4 mode mostly in snow, some of our New England friends could remind us what the average temp was during January in that part of the country. There are lots of threads on the performance of the Pat in cold weather due to the large front exposure, air intake temp, etc.

Loudly pegged near redline - gee maybe I have to go out and redline my PAT to hear this awful noise. I expect to hear some noise when I am accelerating (say 3000 to 4000 rpm), i call it audio sensory feedback.

There is a thread on why we all bought a Patriot, with tons of "in the eye of the beholder" qualities. I dunno know maybe I am just getting cranky about these reviews now that I have actually owned a Pat for a couple of months.

Happy with my decision and great to continue to read those that post their one two and three year reviews.:smiley_thumbs_up:
This is why Chrysler needs to realize that they do not want to expand the market for Jeep. We want Jeep people to buy Jeeps. Otherwise we get all kinds of crazy trivial complaints.
 
. Otherwise we get all kinds of crazy trivial complaints.
This is why when I purchased my Pat (about 3 weeks ago) I didn't read any of the "expert" reviews. They drive the car for a week then complain it isn't a Honda or a Toyota. If I wanted one of those I would have purchased one. I used this site and user reviews and found that their experiences were very favorable. "Jeep" people seem to have an understanding of what a Jeep should be and what it isn't.
 
I'll stick with my 08 interior. I'm glad I bought early.
I'm with you there Jepstr. When I bought mine last fall, there was an '09 right next to the '08. The '08 was $1500 cheaper. And while the new interior does look nicer, it wasn't even close to being $1500 nicer. :)

So here I am, in my "plain interior" 2008 Pat.
 
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I'm with you there Jepstr. When I bought mine last fall, there was an '09 right next to the '08. The '08 was $1500 cheaper. And while the new interior does look nicer, it wasn't even close to being $1500 nicer. :)

So here I am, in my "plain interior" 2008 Pat.
besides the new interior, in my opinion it's better to get the 2009 since it is the 3rd year of production and there is a greater chance that chrysler worked out all of the kinks...just my opinion
 
I'm just wondering why there are next to none reviews and road tests of the FDI models (manual trans) in North America... I've read plenty of FDII reviews and and how the experts didn't like the CVT blah blah blah...
 
I've often wondered about the honesty of some well-respected reviews. I'm a bit worried that some of the authors might have a vested interest in what they're writing. I remember years ago being in one of the first Citroen AX series cars to hit Europe; my friend had bought it on the strength of a review in a top British newspaper. It was, without argument, one of the worst vehicles I'd ever been in. Noisy, uncomfortable, eccentric as only the French know how, and giving you a really unsafe feeling. But it had had excellent positive reviews. Likewise the Nissan Micra, a totally useless car for anyone who's not an oriental midget whose other family members have all cleared off.
These days, in Europe, NO SUV gets a really sound, fair, positive report. If the car can't re-freeze Antarctica, resurrect every whale that the Japanese have managed to kill, pump ozone out through its exhaust to plaster-in the hole in the atmosphere, insulate your five-bedroomed house, produce a tofu-based lunch for a family of six and be re-cycled into a three hundred foot-high windmill then no reviewer is really interested in its performance as a car.
The world market-leader in the SUV range is almost certainly the Land Rover Discovery3, but everywhere it's dismissed as a "gas-guzzler".
Well, so are half of the "people carriers"*, such as Chrysler Voyager and the like, but because these have such a family-friendly image no one raises a squeak. It's crazy.

Rocal

* I've always thought this was a weird expression, "people carrier". Surely it's just the definition of a "motor car".
 
Also know as MPV!! Multi purpose vehicle--But I cant quite work out what else they do other then carry people!!
 
I’ve had 15K carefree driving experience miles in all types of conditions with my Pat. Not to mention how much fun it is. A week ago took her into the city to see some old buddies. One, 6’4” asked me what my car was. Never heard of a Pat, neither did anybody else????? I rattled off how happy I was, and invited him to take it for a drive.

He did the exact same thing I did when first sitting behind the driver’s seat. He put his hand above his head checking the head space. I believe we both essentially exclaimed the same thing “how did they do that.” Then I added in the warranty and close to 30 MPG and the boys were really impressed.

The consensus opinion of the group was this question. Why didn’t Jeep advertise the Pat more? I still don’t see much advertisement around here.
 
The photos that it lists don't do too much for the Pat, do they? Almost everybody on this site has done more with a Patriot than just drive it along a snowy road__except, of course, those guys who live in Greece or Key West, but even they've found boulder-fields to scramble over or beach sand to snuffle through.

Rocal
Hey Rocal. Beaches stop a few meters from the shore, it's not ike 100% of Greece is a beach. There are also mountains here and plenty of beautiful trails to test patriot's limits. If you ever choose Kefalonia for vacation bring your patriot over. I'll guide you around. Of course you should wait for pound to overcome 1,3 euro again, it's still around 1,1 i think... :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
I LOVE my Patriot. It's very reliable, has a great heating system, isn't bothered by snow, and is VERY comfortable. I read the Consumers auto issue, and the Patriot outpointed a number of competing small SUV's, yet they couldn't bring themselves to recommend it! What IS it with these guys?
 
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