I seems that through discussions on this site there are 3 different stock heights for the Patriot. 1. The FDI with the 205/70/16's 2. The FDI with the 215/65/17's 3. The FDII with the 215/65/17's. It has been discussed that the FDII gets its extra inch of height from the larger tires and a half an inch from the longer springs. In this part of the country any height variances greater than 4 inches (I believe) requires the bummpers to be lowered. What is considered to be the actual stock height of the Patriot? It could be measured at the time of the state vehicle inspection, and could be measured roadside if the height looks overly suspicious. Does anyone know what is listed by the manufacturer as the stock height or does the number very by model number (vin number)? If this is the case would there be a different acceptable bumper height for different vehicles of the same model?
3 different stock heights?
scotty h
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I seems that through discussions on this site there are 3 different stock heights for the Patriot. 1. The FDI with the 205/70/16's 2. The FDI with the 215/65/17's 3. The FDII with the 215/65/17's. It has been discussed that the FDII gets its extra inch of height from the larger tires and a half an inch from the longer springs. In this part of the country any height variances greater than 4 inches (I believe) requires the bummpers to be lowered. What is considered to be the actual stock height of the Patriot? It could be measured at the time of the state vehicle inspection, and could be measured roadside if the height looks overly suspicious. Does anyone know what is listed by the manufacturer as the stock height or does the number very by model number (vin number)? If this is the case would there be a different acceptable bumper height for different vehicles of the same model?
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^The law sounds like if you where to alter the ride height of the vehicle. Then the ride height variance would apply. Factory specifications should not matter. I don't think you would have any problems with the ride height of your FD1. Now if the Pat is 2 to 3 ft off the ground with big mud slinger tires you would have to alter your bumper height or face fines. The tallest Pat around here is 4in's higher than factory.
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This site outlines things pretty well for NJ:
http://home.comcast.net/~kayaker121/NJLiftLaws.html
I don't think there is anything out there or even in the pipeline that should make you worried about lift laws.
http://home.comcast.net/~kayaker121/NJLiftLaws.html
I don't think there is anything out there or even in the pipeline that should make you worried about lift laws.
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hey Poished Heckler I understand that stock height is what it comes from the factory as, but an FDI with 16's and an FDII with 17's is a noticable difference. My question is, would the law enforcers be aware of these differences or is there one stock height that they go by on the books. I had a '79 Bronco and there was one stock height on the books for this vehicle, not three. I'm not too concerned about lift laws effecting me at this time, but was curious how the National Highway Safety Administration has this vehicles stock height listed on the books, and are they aware of all the variables.
hey Poished Heckler I understand that stock height is what it comes from the factory as, but an FDI with 16's and an FDII with 17's is a noticable difference. My question is, would the law enforcers be aware of these differences or is there one stock height that they go by on the books. I had a '79 Bronco and there was one stock height on the books for this vehicle, not three. I'm not too concerned about lift laws effecting me at this time, but was curious how the National Highway Safety Administration has this vehicles stock height listed on the books, and are they aware of all the variables.
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i also live in boston and know some one on the force. trust me your not going to have any problems if you put the lift in and bigger tires. i have the lift in for about a year and never got any looks from the any police officer and it passed the inspection with no problem. i'm going to put bigger tires on too when i need new ones.
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scotty h - You would be hard pressed to get anywhere near 4 inches of lift on a Patriot. I understand your concern and that you want to be thorough, but you are probably worried for nothing. The only lift available for the Pat increases height by 2.125 inches. Lets say you went to a 29.5 inch tire (which would likely rub). Thats an extra .75 inches and your total lift is still under 3 inches. I woundn't worry about it unless you are doing some crazy custom lift.
some law officer knowledge.
Brandon
Good call umassjeepster, when I do traffic stops... it is for the safety of the public, i.e., speeding, wreckless drivers, no seat belts, inattention to driving, etc. The last thing I look for is bumper height when lifts are mild. Of course I have only been a cop in Hawai'i, the midwest, and down south. I don't know how the Highway Troopers and State Police on the right coast operate.
Brandon
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This thread has gone towards the legallities all together. My main question is what is considered the basis for the documented stock height of the patriot. Would it be the height of the vehicles used for the crash testing? If thats the case did the crash test a Patriot with 16 inch wheels? Basicly in a nut shell, How does the government list the stock height of the pat? And how did they come up with this number considering all the variables?
This thread has gone towards the legallities all together. My main question is what is considered the basis for the documented stock height of the patriot. Would it be the height of the vehicles used for the crash testing? If thats the case did the crash test a Patriot with 16 inch wheels? Basicly in a nut shell, How does the government list the stock height of the pat? And how did they come up with this number considering all the variables?
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I imagine it's the same way the government lists fuel milage ratings. Different model, different rating.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/findacar.htm
has three different ratings for Patriot 4X4 - 5 sp, CVT and CVT2L
Although - I seriously doubt theres a government database with ground clearance for every vehicle.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/findacar.htm
has three different ratings for Patriot 4X4 - 5 sp, CVT and CVT2L
Although - I seriously doubt theres a government database with ground clearance for every vehicle.
just the curiosity that set in
There has got to be a height listed somewhere though for the lift law purpose that I stated earlier in this thread. I wouldn't believe that the law enforcers would just make something up. My curiosity wanted to know if anyone with a FDI and 215/65/17's or a FDII was already at a disadvantage years down the road when we have similar parts and resources available to us that wrangler owners do. Granted its only an inch at the most, but its still an inch if the governing bodies view this vehicle as being shorter than it really is. Polished heckler, you also have me wondering if I was to replace my 215/65/17's with stock 16" steelies would I then be viewed as shorter height from the start?(would my stock height be thought of as being a half inch lower because of the misconception that the 16's were stock)
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nope. Your stock tire size is listed on the inside of the drivers door.
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