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#41 ·
I think you guys are making too much of this. There were issues with some of the new equipment in the plants, but at this point they can't even make enough of the two hot-and-profitable models they have out right now. It's smart business to hold back the third model (not saying that's what they're doing) until the first two cool off a little bit.

Yes, they will lose a sale here and there from buyers who must have a new vehicle now, but if they rush out the Patriot, they will lose Caliber and Compass sales.

DCX does not have unlimited manufacturing capacity. They're trying to manage the huge demand for their new products. A good problem to have, IMO.
 
#42 ·
Well, I think the plant they are producing it on is the first of its kind, so I would assume there would be bugs. Plus, in Jeep's defense, the website has said "First Quarter 2006" for a while now. Search the threads, I remember posting something about this a while back.
 
#43 ·
Conswell said:
:confused: If they are having so much trouble just getting this Jeep off the ground wouldn't it be easier to just tell the truth and not hold us in suspense? I've been waiting for this Jeep since early March when I frist saw it. It gets better gas mileage than my sport and I drive a lot of miles to work everyday. So-o-o Sad:(
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I share your disappointment that little has been released about the Patriot.

However, if I were in charge of the marketing for the vehicle, I would keep tight lipped about it, especially with all of the alleged production issues.

Since few people seem to be in "the know" (including my dealership), there is little or no damage to Jeep's reputation. But if they launched a national ad campaign promising an October delivery and couldn't produce -- that would certainly affect sales.

I'd still love to know what is going on in that Belvidere plant...

Brett
 
#44 ·
I also would like to look under the hood of a Patriot. While driving home to Colorado from Nebraska last August I passes a highly disguised Patriot? with Michigan plates.

On the Jeep web it still says Fall 2006 if you just hover over the '07 Patriot on the main Jeep page. But if you go to see all vehicles it does now say early 2007.

Tom
 
#45 ·
Maybe not

I am too eagerly awaiting the Jeep patriot. On the website, the patriot is now being advertised with a picture on the front page, when it was previously not there before. (The side link was there). Maybe that is a good sign. I have also called several dealers regarding this information, and some still say end of october, november, or by christmas.

Like many people on the forum, I am in need of a new car, and am holding out for the patriot.

Also, just wondering if anyone has knowledge about the Patriot CVT2. I test drove a compass with a cvt, and it had horrible acceleration. I am just hoping that the CVT2 will give it a little more pep.

On a few websites, Production was stated to begin today, 10/9.
 
#47 ·
Kate said:
I am too eagerly awaiting the Jeep patriot. On the website, the patriot is now being advertised with a picture on the front page, when it was previously not there before. (The side link was there). Maybe that is a good sign. I have also called several dealers regarding this information, and some still say end of october, november, or by christmas.
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The very end of 2006 / early 2007 is probably the most realistic estimate.

Also, just wondering if anyone has knowledge about the Patriot CVT2. I test drove a compass with a cvt, and it had horrible acceleration. I am just hoping that the CVT2 will give it a little more pep.
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The CVT2 is the same transaxle that the Compass uses. The Patriot w/Off-Road Group will have the special 'low-range' mode, but of course that won't affect highway acceleration. So if you thought the Compass was slow, you'll probably think the Patriot is slow. Did the Compass you drove have the 2.4L?
 
#48 ·
I did drive the compass with the 2.4 L (dont they all have a 2.4L?)

i have talked to a dealer though, explaining that the cvt engine is one that has to "break in" over the use of the first few months. I am not sure if that is something said in order to make a sale, but i guess with the cvt and cvt 2, there is a computer chip involved that actually teaches the engine to respond to how you drive (acceleration, ect), and the engine adapts its power usage to the driver's normal acceralation patterns.
who knows if that is correct or not. i knew nothing about cars until i started researching the patriot, and was learning different drives ect.

but the acceleration was disappointing, though, i dont know if i could learn to adapt my driving style either. (ie get rid of my lead foot).
 
#49 ·
There is no "training" for the engine. The chip monitors engine performance characteristics and weather conditions but not for learning purposes. It sounds like the salesman was well trained though!

Has anyone out there seen or tested a 2.4L manual on the Compass-Caliber platform?

It is not a big deal for the consumer that D-C cannot deliver the Patriot on time. It is not unusual that a new plant has problems. It is not unusual for a new product to be late. What D-C blew is their Q3 & Q4 sales and profit numbers. If the Patriot was late but Jeep was selling Liberties and Grands in adequate numbers nobody would notice.
 
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#50 ·
Yes, electronic transmissions do "learn". But I would say that they moreso learn the engine and not the driver -- although the driver itself does impact the performance of the engine. They just take feedback from the sensors and adjust accordingly. Engines/trannys wear over time and may slightly alter the performance of them, so these electronic trannys have control systems to adjust for these (among other) changes.

I pretty much just restated what is here:
http://www.aa1car.com/library/2002/us90224.htm
 
#51 ·
SirFuego, I think we are in violent agreement. The sensors are designed to insure optimal performance for the conditions. I looked at engine sensors and as a manual transmission person do not follow the details of the transmission sensors in automatics or CVTs and try to remain in ignorant bliss!

Given that the engine/transmission "adapt" to the driver, wear and conditions; there will still be basic characteristics to this platform.
 
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#52 ·
Sounds good to me. We are saying the same thing -- it's just that our ideas of what we consider "learning" are different. it doesn't matter -- the bottom line is that the tranny can adjust to changes. But I would agree that it doesn't adapt to the "driver".
 
#56 ·
First timer here.

Just wanted to share this...as I found it when I was trying to look for any further updates on the Patriot. It was in the Rockford Register Star Newspaper, which is the Bellvidere Local Paper:

Woes at Chrysler to delay Patriot
September 16, 2006 •• 139 words •• ID: rck29125052
DaimlerChrysler is pushing back the production launch of the Jeep Patriot, company officials said, and cutting about 80 workers from its third shift, workers said. The Germany-based company reported its earnings Friday morning: The Chrysler Group suffered a $1.2 billion loss in the third quarter, more than double what was expected.

Silvermike is right, I don't know if I can wait for the release might have to move on.
 
#57 ·
So, I went and looked at the 07 Wrangler Unlimited yesterday, and asked about teh Patriot while I was there and they said that last that they heard it wouldn't be at dealers until March. Hopefully they had no idea what they were talking about.
 
#60 ·
^^That would be ridiculous for any company to do. It would be a significant waste of money.

Trust me, this things in not going to be killed. It looks better and better after each one rolls out.

DCX is taking the time to get this right. This vehicle is going to be crucial from a business standpoint because DCX has a lot to gain from this. The Caliber = nice/sporty. The Compass = utility with car-like drive and efficiency (sp?). The Patriot = utility, efficiency, and classic Jeep stying.

Mark my word... The Patriot will be HUGE. This one's gonna be the big seller.
 
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