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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Thanks for the links TJN. A lot to take in. Making my decision harder.

I got a Wilson 1000 mag mount but my problem is the ribs on the roof are too close together. It worked fine on the van I traded in. I have it up by the windshild where the ribs stopped. It looks terrible. Any recommendations for an antenna. I don't want to droll no holes anywhere. Is there any that clip to the roof rack ??
Thanks !!
I believe this is the sort of mount your looking for Oldtimer:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RoadPro-CB-A...ac-Trucks-NEW-RP535-/191448536327?pt=US_Radio_Comm_Antennas&hash=item2c9338d507
 
TJN showed me his setup and I ended up buying a 3' firestik and this



I am going to install this weekend while I am waiting on my cb. I am also going with a solid mount with a quick disconnect on normal days, and a spring for off-road.

My biggest thing I have a prob with is drilling into the Jeep itself. I know from past experience that rust can happen overnight. Soooooo... Off to lowes to get silicone to seal the drill points. After this I will touch up with a primer to prevent any rust from "popping through". Call me mr paranoid, but I am no fan of rust and sealing it off is my utmost ideal.

Let us know what you end up with! I will do a write up on the whole mounting process and snap pix to go with it.
 
I'm still waiting to build a roof rack before I throw in a CB. My crossbars come out a little further on mine than the roof rails, so I have a round bar I can clamp an antenna to. I also have an issue with clearance overhead at my apartment complex, speaking that I have garage parking, so what I'm going to do is mount an adjustable antenna mount to that bar and run my whip like that. This way, all I have to do, is leave the parking garage, pull over, a quarter turn on the mount, fold the antenna up straight, and quarter turn to tighten, and viola, problem solved! Here is a link to what I'm talking about:
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/shakespeare--ratchet-rail-mount--3843794
Keep in mind, this is a Marine application, so prices are going to be a bit inflated, but if this gives you a good idea, and saves your glass whips from certain death of low lying branches and buildings, it's well worth it in my opinion...

As far as a whip goes, I have a 3' Wilson glass whip in my Mack CV713 rig. I used to run a splitter in the cable, and run 2 3' Wilsons, but I changed trucks, and am not on the road that much anymore, so one will suffice.

I've tried K40 antennas, and I've had nothing but bad signal and reception come out of them. I have one just sitting in my apartment that I wouldn't even give away, it has caused so much headache. I have also had a couple of firestiks, and they're decent.

I don't know of any CB shops or anything in Canada where you're at (I think), but my recommendation would be to go with a Fiberglass Wilson whip with an adjustable tip. Remember, the longer the antenna, the longer you're range. Placement is also key. The reason I say go with an adjustable tip is because you can have a CB shop tune your setup once everything is installed, and you'll get optimal performance. The adjustable tips usually have a little screw and jam nut at the tip where you can adjust the length of the cable. They usually have longer tip covers to help protect the whip from the elements.

If you're going to install your whip alongside your Riot so that it sits lower, you can always put a hole in a tennis ball and run it down the whip until you get close to the body of your riot. It helps dampen the sound of a whip hitting your riot, and also helps save your paint...

Alright, I'll quit rambling. lol. Good luck!
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
No, please continue Autoped. Some of these ideas may not work for me but maybe the next person.

Since you mention placement of whip affects reception. What if I drill a hole behind the tail light behind the tail light on passenger side? Will that be too low? But if i used a 3ft in that location with a spring I might be slightly taller than the roof line. Instead of a tennis ball maybe get a smaller piece of rubber to fit over the antenna near the top so that would hit the vehicle instead of the whip. It would be less visible than a tennis ball. Thoughts on that set up?

I'm new to cb's and need as much help as I can get.
 
Do you really not like my setup? Take a look at it again one of these days I'm sure you could make it work with your roof rack. I think going with a large whip antenna n is going to be overkill for the type of cb you have.
 
Autoped has some good points. His post in my CB thread was right on the money. I used to have 3' fiberglass antenna I picked up at the local truck stop. My SWR reading with it was somewher 1.5:1. I then moved and started parking in the garage where the clearance became an issue so I switched to 2' Firestik KW2-B. Once I installed it I haven't used my CB until this and other threads popped up talking about tuning and SWR readings, etc. I went to check my SWR reading and it was over 3:1 and giving me "antenna warning" which caught me a bit by surprise. Yesterday I ordered 2' Firestik FS2-B antenna with tunable tip. Should arrive by Tuesday. I still have my old 3' antenna which I'm going to put back on today just to compare SWR reading. Sorry for all rumbling but basically what I'm trying to say is go with an antenna that has tunable tip like autoped suggested.
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
Do you really not like my setup? Take a look at it again one of these days I'm sure you could make it work with your roof rack. I think going with a large whip antenna n is going to be overkill for the type of cb you have.
No, I like your setup. But you know me, I want to be a lil different.
 
Sask_riot, thanks. If I can share some info in my head, I'll be glad to do so. I spent lots of money of several things that simply do not work, but this method is also how the light bulb was invented.
The lower the whip is mounted, the less distance you're going to reach. This is mainly because of signal interruptions, whether it be natural like a mountain or forest, or man made like a building or tunnel. So the trick is to get the whip as high as you can get without destroying your setup. The tallest stock 18 wheeler sits at 13' 6", or about 4.1 meters, so I would suggest that being the tallest you can go with your setup, but unless you want to talk to someone in China (kidding), it's really just funny looking on a regular car.
I overheard a small conversation one day at a CB shop in a truck stop one day, and I remember hearing about the receiver cable/antenna getting the best signal in 3' (.9m) increments. I'm still quoting, this is why you see a majority of coax cables selling in 3' increments (i.e. 3', 6', 18', etc...), and the glass whips have little copper strands spun around them (hence the spiral pattern under the insulation), that all usually end up in 3' increments as well. The size of the whip is not the biggest of deals, but most truck drivers go with the 3' because it won't catch bridges and other things.
If you mount the whip by the rear right tail light while going with a shorter antenna, your signal forward will be sketchy. Raising the height of the whip over the roof of your Riot will allow for slightly better signal, but still sketchy due to signal interference. In my opinion, you want your best signal facing forward and to the left, or toward opposing traffic to those across the pond, so that you can get traffic alerts more clear and quicker from oncoming traffic. It's best to know what you're driving into, and what better way to find out then to ask the ones who have already come from there. If your height was extremely limited, if you didn't it looking all weird, I'd take the same mount and mount it on the inside lip of your passenger side fender. Your ground plane would extend across the hood of your riot and will head in that forward left trajectory, all while keeping the signal interference at a minimum and decreasing your necessary whip clearance height. But it'll look funny...lol
As far as the rubber piece to slip onto your whip, you can do that. It should work fine. Many use tennis balls because it doesn't leave marks on the contact area like a piece of rubber would do. If you have a spring on your whip, try removing it. That makes a slightly longer whip flop around in the wind like no ones business, and on top of that, after a while, snow, rain, mud, water, etc. will get caught up in and around that spring, which will cause rusting, which will also distort your signal.

Hope this info helps...I may not have a lot of free time to post replies and posts, but feel free to bug me if you have any more questions.

P.S.- I love looking at ideas of others. It shows the creativity in the mind of that particular person. There is always a better way to build a mouse trap in my opinion...the trick is, discovering exactly how to build the mouse trap to catch the mouse.
 
And Sask_riot, regarding your last post from eBay about the 2' firestik antenna, I like it a lot...that setup should do just fine. My only personal preference would be going to a 3' whip, but that's just my preference. I don't know your specific height restrictions...
 
Discussion starter · #39 · (Edited)
Actually I kinda dig the idea of a 3ft antenna like that if that would be good. Would look like a big RC jeep lol. With the folddown linked below should work too, our patriots are wider than 3ft so it would fold down nicely behind the vehicle in low bush.

Does mounting the antenna horizontal or on any angle matter? Like off the back of my roof rack. The curt roof basket has a convenient hole dead center in the back of it. This probly wouldn't look good, so just a curiousity question. But if horizontal is an option why not on my front bumper? Mounted to a metal bumper would make a difference. Right above my light bar, I wouldn't even notice it.

But on the other hand. Could do the same as TJN and get a quick folddown like this:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cb-Ham-Radio...RELEASE-FOLD-OVER-Mount-/110738224686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c883362e

Could do the 2ft like him too then. That seems like a great option now.
 
Some good info Autoped.
I'm wondering about the difference of mounting it on the left or right. I understanding what yer saying but the way roads twist and turn ( on a major hwy yer heading south and go around a long curve yer heading se or sw) does it really make a difference ?? Just wondering.
 
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