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I laugh, Ha HA! Up here in MN there are days where a salty slurry of 30 degree liquid coats roads, cars, all it touches. Bright red or dark blue cars look white when it all dries as the temperature drops to zero and the sun returns.

But yes, do anything you can to remove salt, it does destroy all it touches.
I was born and raised in that stuff, which is why I live here. My brother stilll lives in upstate NY and we laugh about it. Up north there are bunches of vehicles in junk yards with good engines and drivetrains but the bodies are gone. Down here they still look new but the guts are worn out. If you're ever looking for a good rust free vehicle, come on down.
 
Wish me luck guys! I'll be pushing my jeep and trailer to the maximum limit in a few days.

Big camping trip planned for Lake Hope and Hocking Hills, Ohio. I'm hosting it, as always. My patriot will have all five seats occupied, and I'll be towing a 6x6x12 cargo box trailer weighing over 1500lbs. It will be full of everyone's gear as well as two days worth of provisions. The trailer also serves as 'my' tent. We will be travling halfway across the state on a freeway then hilly boonie lands. A steep hill leading to our massivly awsome campground marks the end of the journey.

Makes me nervous just thinking about it. I would venture to guess that this it the hardest anyone has ever pushed the patriot's towing capacity.
 
y'alls a bunch of wuss's! You know the "towing capacity" is an extremely conservative number. I wouldnt hesitate towing anything under 3000 lbs with the pat. In fact, I just dropped my Tahoe Q3 (2155 lbs dry weight for the boat alone + 522 lbs for the trailer) into our lake without any trouble, In fact, the 4x4 on the boat ramp worked wonders, and it was much better than the FWD Rendezvous we used to try to use (which by the way has 3500 towing)

You want to tell me that a 172 HP world engine with oil coolers, a CVT (which should make towing even better), and a 4x4 drive train tows the same as a FWD economy car like a 115 hp sunfire?

off my rant- you probably shouldn't push 2000 more than you have to, but the ratings have to be so that you could drive around with 2000 lbs 24/7 everytime you drive.... so if your asking if you can do 2000, or even 3000 or 3500 occaisonally, most certainly so.
 
Just got back from a weekend fishing trip and towed with my pat for appx 400miles round trip, Pulling a 17ft boat appx 1800lbs with all my gear and another passenger.

The pat was able to accelate nicely to hwy speed, I wouldn't want to accelarate any faster than what the pat can do with any rig. At lower speeds, the rpms were almost the same.

I found that on the flat hwy pulling at 50-60 mph and maintaning that speed was attainable. Stay at 50mph cruising speed and it will definitely save you a lot of gas. Due to the load I found that the rpm's were 500+ at hwy speeds and when accelerating from 40mph, you really have to rev that engine as much as it can give you.

Also drove on the country rds with some huge hills, some of the hills were over a mile long and more than 45deg inclines. The pat struggled there topping out at 45-50 mph, The engine was at full throttle. This type of driving condition is where you need more torque.

Getting in and out of the boat ramps wasn't a problem at all. The pat is really useful in shallow launching ramps if you have the offtrail pkg.

As for the gas milage, you'll notice that at hwy speeds over 50mph is when the pat gets real thristy.
 
I pulled a U-Haul car dolly,around 500 or 600 lb itself loaded with 2850 lb of dead Beretta. Had some hills ,rpms went to 5000 up one. Towed well. The real shock was per Scan Gauge, 21.1 mpg loaded,22.8 empty with just the trailer. Thats about 3,350 at least.:smiley_thumbs_up:
 
Wish me luck guys! I'll be pushing my jeep and trailer to the maximum limit in a few days........

........makes me nervous just thinking about it. I would venture to guess that this it the hardest anyone has ever pushed the patriot's towing capacity.

Wow, now I'm Impressed! Day one, I drove 170miles to Lake Hope with four riders including myself. I towed a 1500lb box trailer with about 500 lbs worth of gear inside. I got a picture of it elsewhere in the forums but it's basically a 6x6x12 box that stands 3ft above the jeep's roof. So wind-resistance can be brutal above 60mph. The first leg of the trip was freeway. I set the cruise control for 60mph and drafted a semi nearly the whole way. Rpms stayed right around 2k-3k. After we exited the freeway, we then got into the crazy hill country. I only lost speeds on the psycho steep hills. I really had to push the pedal at times, but the Patriot didn't give up at all on me. Haven't those people ever heard of dynomite? Keep in mind that I didn't have an oil cooler installed but the temp guage stayed just below 50% the whole time. Slow and steady and downshifts were vital.

Day two: after the trailer was dropped at camp, we loaded up all six campers into the Jeep. Can you believe I actually have friends willing to sit in the 5th (back center) and 6th (cargo area) seats?? Wow. No one complained of feeling cramped or squished. They were all too dazzeled by the sat radio and BA speakers. We traveled 30mins north through more crazy hill country to Hocking Hills, the best state park in Ohio. The Patriot is nimble and smooth on even the most wild of curbs and slopes. Even with overloaded occupancy, the 2.4L charged right up the rollercoaster hills and the 4disk breaks & autostick kept us from going over cliff many times! Compared to the trailer, this was no challenge at all. When the day's adventure was over, everyone (but me) slept on the way back to camp.

Day Three: Uh oh! Did you know that Dayton OH is at a much higher elevation than Lake Hope? This means that I drove up a gentle slope THE ENTIRE WAY HOME. What's worse, I couldn't find a semi to draft behind!! So, at 60mph the engine stayed between 4k-5k rpm for nearly 2hrs. I thought for sure something would break as my passangers napped the entire way home. To my releife, the temp guage stayed at 50%, no warning lights came on, no smoke, no smells. I made it home, no prob! The only thing that gave way was the fuel consumption. An entire tank, nearly emptied from day two, and filled up in a boonie town charging $4.19/gal, only got me 140 miles! Overall, I pushed the Jeep to the limits and he did everything I asked him to do without mechanical failure. (My Jeep is a stud, btw)

Ya know, it's feeling more and more like we're all on borrowed time these days. But it's good to know that we own a vehicle that will stand up to the challenges you give it while never ever giving up in its mission to get you home safe and sound- everytime.

Don't be afraid to tow something reasonable with the 2.4L These things are little tanks!
 
mrcoo98, no way. Corolla 2500 pounds. Dolly 500 pounds. Dollies have no brakes. i considered towing 3000 pounds with my 5-spd 2.4L and don't think the MK brakes are designed to stop 7000 pounds (Jeep + trailer).
 
Just took a 16ft, 1200lb boat to the lake this week. It's my buddy's boat, actually. The deal what that he bought the boat gas, and I provided the tow vehicle and its gas. I pretty good deal actually. Was it a challenge for the patriot's 2.4L engine? You guessed it. No! Not at all. Pulling this thing was even easier than the solar powered camper. My buddy even commented that it didn't seem to strain up hills like his Ford Explorer does. Here's some pics.


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Yes, that's a big disgusting carp, but it was the biggest fish of the day so I snapped a pic.
 
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I love how I have the tow package, but no trailer hitch :D
I've got the tow package, the trailer hitch but no trailer! Great kit too!
 
Oil cooler

The pulling package really is the oil cooler by way of mechanicals. I believe without it the vehicle is only rated for 1200lbs towing for the 2.4 and 1000lbs for the 2.0. Oil viscosity is the issue with the oil cooler. High internal temps get the oil pretty thin and hot. The hotter the oil, the less lubrication it can provide.

I have the cooler and have pulled a variety of tralers now with different loads. If it is freeway, severe hills or congested driving, I would stick to the 2000lbs max. for safety sake. If it is rural highway <55mph or suburban I might push it to 3000lbs and just drive really conservatively. I have a CDL and lots of miles driving heavy loads in just about every condition imaginable, so maybe that's just me. I don't think brake capacity is the issue on the Riot. Weight is a greater limitation. General rule of thumb is that you don't want the towed load to ever exceed the weight of the towing vehicle unless it has it's own brakes. Since the Riot is about 3200lbs empty and 3500lbs with driver and fuel you can see where I get the 3000lbs number.

I would also caution readers that the rule is used by experienced drivers for rough estimates based on stopping ability. There are other serious factors thtat have to be considered including load sway and angular force at the articulation point.
 
towing

I pull a jet ski that's a little over 1100 lbs w/ a full tank of gas all the time in the summer. Keep in mind my Pat is a standard and 2.4, but going up some fo the bigger hills it really has a tough time. It's not great on the boat ramps...usually have to ride the clutch or burn off some rubber to pull it out to the water on a steep ramp, but it DOES pull the boat out. ( sure makes me miss the ole 4x4 grand w/ the 4.7L!!!)
 
I am thinking of buying a pat, but I will be pulling a new seadoo boat.(2000 pounds without anything in it )So I was wondering if the pat would be up to it? or should i get a new wrangler instead? I love the pat but I need alittle more pulling power for all the hills.Thanks for the input!!
 
I am thinking of buying a pat, but I will be pulling a new seadoo boat.(2000 pounds without anything in it )So I was wondering if the pat would be up to it? or should i get a new wrangler instead? I love the pat but I need alittle more pulling power for all the hills.Thanks for the input!!
I'm putting on my flame retardent suit for this one! You should buy something with a higher tow capacity.
 
well i have a 2.4 gas motor and i tow a 12' trailer with 2 atv and it kinda does a high rev and the engine is working a lil more harder but its not that bad just eats up more fuel. my pictures are below.
 

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For what it is worth, if you are ever in an accident with your Pat and a trailer over the limit, I would love to be the lawyer for the other people. Your insurance company may even try to get out of defending you. And there might even be criminal charges.

And if you are interested in miles per engine, running it at 4-5K without an oil cooler is stacking the deck against yourself. The coolant temperature gauge is displaying coolant temperature, not oil temperature. I know about the lifetime limited powertrain warranty. I wonder what Chrysler is going to say when they see a vehicle with a trailer hitch and no trailer tow package and a warranty claim.

I have a ScanGauge which shows the intake manifold air pressure. Our Patriots have an electronic throttle. Your foot gas pedal is not physically connected to the throttle valve. I regularly see full atmospheric pressure in the intake manifold with 1/3 throttle while accelerating. It all depends on what the computer thinks is appropriate based on RPM, speed, and foot pedal position. So, "not having to floor it" does not mean that it is not running at max manifold pressure.

FWIW and YMMV. :)
 
So i just bought my '09 Pat Sport 4x4 and was wondering what do i need to do to tow at max stock capacity?
Also which hitches are the best?
How much did you pay for the hitch and harness?
Self installable?
Where did you get it?

Help me get started.... thanks!
 
My experiece "towing"

I know this doesn't answer your question, but thought I'd tell you about my one experience "towing" with my Patriot with the Freedom II CVT (off road package).

I'd been shooting skeet at a one of the local ranges. It had been raining lightly all day. As I walked back to my Patriot, I noticed the field I had parked in was kind of muddy. I dropped the tranmission into LO RANGE and started to inch forward, trying not to spin the tires. Just then a guy who had shot with me tapped on the window. He said, "My truck's stuck. Can you help?" I hate to turn away anyone in a jam. I looked back over my shoulder. The bumper of his truck was directly to my rear, about 50 feet back. I couldn't see the truck clearly, but through the rain, it looked like the front of a mini.

I stayed in the car while he attached a really long tow strap to my rear hooks. He waved at me and I very lightly pushed the accelerator. My car wasn't moving so I figured I needed to apply a little more accelerator. Still not moving. No sensation of moving. No sensation of struggle. Nothing.

I put it in park and got out of the truck. My rear wheels were burried in mud up to the axle! Walked back to his truck. Wasn't a mini. This was one of those dual rear wheel pickups with a fifth wheel for towing huge trailers. I asked him how much his truck weighed. "7800 pounds!" I said, "And you figured my little 3000 lb. 4 cylinder would pull it out of the mud?!"

Needless to say, I pulled his tow strap off my car. He and another guy helped push me out of the rut, and I was finally able to get out of there. I drove away wondering just how much damage I'd done to my tranny, rear end, and chassis. I was so surprised there was NO sensation whatsoever while I attempted the tow. It just slowly, unperceptably SANK.

I haven't found any damage to the car. But I think my towing days are ended.
 
I have a 2011 2.4l FDII patriot and I went camping last weekend just for the heck of it. The camper dry weight is about 1300lbs and with all the crap in probably around 1600lbs or so. It towed it fine. But going up hills and passing anyone made the engine rev to between 3500 and 4000 rpms. But other than passing and hills it went fine. Got back and checked the gas mileage... only got about 16.9 mpg towing it. :(
 
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