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where to put jack and stands?

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#1 · (Edited)
well, I tried to jack the jeep today, pretty close to complete failure..

where do I even begin?


First, the manual and jack 'points'

the manual says :

There are two front jacking locations and two rear
jacking locations on each side of the body. The front
locations are outlined by two triangular cutouts, the rear
ones by two rectangular cutouts. For vehicles equipped
with plastic trim, the plastic has been cut away to expose
the jacking locations in the body.
1) there are no triangular or rectangular cutouts anywhere.
2) there are 4 square cutouts, one near each tire on the outer edge of the car.


I tried using my floor jack, apparently it is a few inches too short to push the jeep up from those spots.

I tried jacking up on other places under the body, but no place could be found that did not start to 'give' a bit.

The jack that came with the car can lift the tire just enough to take it off, but not enough to get a jack stand up there and lower the vehicle to it...as high as it goes, it is not enough to still have to lower it on to a stand and have the wheel touch ground.


I tried many spots on the patriot to lift or put a stand, but each place had a little give or dent upon trying......so if there is only one place to jack it up, where are you to put the stand to hold it there while you take the jack away?

answer: none.

The only two options I can see is it place a jack stand under the vehicle a bit, where the metal may give a bit, or place it next to the cutout and end up ripping/crushing the plastic trim a bit.


Obviously my floor jack was a complete waste of money since the jack point is so high on the car.. I am thinking of a large piece of wood, about 3 or 4 inches high to deal with it.

However, there is no safe and secure non damaging place to put the jacks.


I just spent 2 hours playing around trying to do it...there are lots of little dents under the car now..yikes.

One time lowering the jack after taking out the last stand, the last attempt, I heard some creaking come from the other side of the car as it lowered all the way.


really...this should be the easiest thing out of all the maintenance. I am perturbed to find it not only the hardest, but the scariest and most damaging and damn near impossible thing to do.

There has to be a place, other than those 4 itsy bitsy little cutouts to place weight of the vehicle on..


oh ya, and my floor jack, even if it could reach the cutouts has a round head, versus the square cutout, meaning it would tear up the plastic (round peg, square hole)


I even looked at this diagram here and tried to use those points...and that is when the creaking was heard. And those areas 'dented' too.
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open to suggestions....


there was very little creaking and just at the end..I hope I did not screw the vehicle up.

there must be someone on here that has actually put the pat up on stands before? Every thread I see ends with no answers.
Unfortunately, I think I have to kiss the 80 bucks in jacks and stands goodbye and hit a car repair shop for a simple rotate..

ugh.
 
#4 · (Edited)
if I get a big block of wood, it would get in the way of the placement of the jack stand though...unless I got it big enough to put the stand on it too..

but then I would need 4...

sigh...


edit: the stands I bought had a max of 16 3/4 inches height, the jack that came with them 13 inches...go figure that out..

at 13 inches, if in the lift point, does not get the tire off the ground. I do not think the jack stands are tall enough considering the area next to the jack lift spot is a few more inches higher.

I think I gotta bite the restock and shipping fees and return these to sears, then buy a set that has at least 20 inches of clearance for jack, 25-30 for stands, just in case.

frustrated, but a learning experience for sure.


edit again: doing research has got me to triple the price and way over tonnage to get a 'high lift' stand and jack set...but even they are capped at 21 inches....
Now at thirteen, the tire is still on the ground, although the carriage has been lifted (tire just sagging on the shock I guess)...that leaves 8 inches to raise it up high enough to bring tire up AND lower onto a stand while still keeping tire above ground..
I do not think it is possible at that jack point to do that...

just shoot me.

I bought some 2x10 boards, really heavy good ones. Thinking about stacking them to gain six inches for each stand and 6 or 8 for the jack.
Each stand on 2 or 3 2x10s, 1 foot long...and a 2 foot 2x10 stacked three high for jack.

no wonder no one online has a post about suv lifting...it was all just cars....
 
#5 ·
Craftsman used to make an SUV jack because I have one, don't know if they still do or not. Jack stands I use have a flat top and I didn't notice any give when I lowered it onto them. The 21" jack will have plenty of room to get it high enough to get a stand under it and pull the wheels, mine wasn't even at full lift so a 19" one may do it. The stock screw jack has enough lift to just get my BFG's off the ground to change it but with no room to spare.
 
#7 ·
I've jacked the whole front and rear using the cross members under the engine and rear diff without issue, then placed the jackstands at the spots designated as #2 on the picture, or on the rockers (at the factory jack points for the screw jack). I've also used a 3 foot long 2x4 and jack the entire side up. I have a standard craftsman 3 ton floor jack (the normal shop sized one, not the skinny home one). In any case, before removing a wheel, give the car a good shake to make sure it's stable before beginning work. I also like to place the wheels under the vehicle when I remove them. 1. It get's them out of the way and 2. If the car did come off the stands somehow, I'd rather it land on the wheel then my head.