[mrbill345]

My issues resolved itself w/o any replacement.

Unfortunately my 2013 Patriot Latitude FDI (just over 45K miles) appears to have died. Went to start & it will not start. The ETC light is flashing, CEL light flashes 10 times & then says lit, and the 4WD! is lit (no flashing). No ESC light at all. Anyone have an idea?

 

[spiritslegacy@yahoo.com]

hi did you find out what the actual issue was? i have the same problem

 

[Tina Mclean]

2016 Pat, threw a rod bearing at 170,000 replaced the engine. Now the ETC light, traction control light comes on not always the check engine light. Loss of power stalling ect. At first turning it off and on worked than issue progressed disconnected battery would fix for a couple days, now you cant go 2 blocks without it happening. We have replaced the MAP sensor and the Throttle Body still doing it. The only code we get is P0108. What should we try next? Im reading possible vacuum leak at the intake manifold even without the code? I have also read wheel sensors, ABS sensor ect? Any ideas? dont see the point in taking to a dealer that is going to charge 100 bucks an hour and do exactly what we are doing throwing parts at it.

 

[RangerJoe]

I had this same issue went down to the auto store to get the code read and ended up buying a whole new Throttle body have had any issues since and that was about 3 months ago

 

[Aksuited]

Hello all,

I have the same issue, with the ETC and traction light coming on and limp mode, and so far I checked the pink wires under drivers kick panel and resoldered them and verified that was not the issue.

One specific thing to add about my case is this happened right after driving through a pretty deep puddle, maybe about 18inces at the deepest for a few seconds. Does this give a hint as to what one of the possible things that could have failed to cause this?

Is it more likely a ABS sensor failed from getting wet or a wire somewhere else corroded? Hoping to narrow down what to look at.

Thanks!

 

[Sandstone]

I'd start by reading the codes.

 

[LouOfTheJeep]

As mentioned above, if you are not getting a code with your scanner but have lights on the dash than your scanner is not capable of reading the system that is malfunctioning. Basic scanners just read codes from like 4 major systems and do not include abs/SRS/manufacturer specific (ie: HVAC, radio, etc). You need to get the code before doing any work.

 

[Aksuited]

It actually had 12 codes, but tbh I think most were there before this happened and it ran fine lol.

Do any of these codes seem like they relate to this issue? I reset and only one that seemed to come right back instantly was p0038

 

[mr_et2]

Jeep Jeep DTC U1403
Definition:
Implausible Fuel Level Signal Received
Description:
The Fuel Level Sensor signal is a direct input to the Body Control Module (BCM). The BCM transmits the fuel level message to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) over the CAN C bus.
Cause:
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR WIRING ISSUE
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR
BODY CONTROL MODULE (BCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC U0141
Definition:
Instrument Panel Cluster -IPC- CAN Signal - Missing Message
Description:
Treat this DTC as a LOST COMMUNICATION DTC when performing the COMMUNICATION DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE.
Cause:
CAN C Bus failure open or shorted
Front control module has failed
PCM has failed
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Jeep Jeep DTC P0480
Definition:
Cooling Fan 1 Control Circuit
Description:
This two speed cooling fan system uses a Low Speed Fan Relay and Hi Speed Fan Relay to control the cooling fan operation.
Cause:
RADIATOR FAN RELAY CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN/HIGH RESISTANCE
RADIATOR FAN RELAY
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC P0481
Definition:
Cooling Fan 2 Control Circuit
Description:
This two speed cooling fan system uses a Low Speed Fan Relay and Hi Speed Fan Relay to control the cooling fan operation.
Cause:
RADIATOR FAN RELAY CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN/HIGH RESISTANCE
RADIATOR FAN RELAY
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC P0139
Definition:
O2 Sensor 1/2 Slow Response
Description:
For an aged Oxygen (O2) Sensor, the response rate to the air/fuel change is slower than when it was new. The O2 Sensor tends to move less with the same air/fuel changes in a given time frame. Therefore by observing the activity of voltage readings from the O2 Sensor, the quality of the O2 Sensor can be detected.
Cause:
EXHAUST LEAK
O2 SENSOR 1/2 SIGNAL CIRCUIT
O2 SENSOR RETURN CIRCUIT
O2 SENSOR
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Jeep Jeep DTC U110C
Definition:
Lost Fuel Level Message
Description:
The Fuel Level Sensor signal is a direct input to the Body Control Module (BCM). The BCM transmits the fuel level message to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) over the CAN C bus.
Cause:
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR WIRING ISSUE
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR
BODY CONTROL MODULE (BCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC U0402
Definition:
Invalid Data Received From DCTM
Description:
This fault can set if either condition occursata messages received over the bus from the TCM are implausible.The PCM detects a drag during a engine torque request from the TCM. This can occur if the TCM requests engine torque during a shift event.
Cause:
CAN BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
TRANSMISSION HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE ISSUE
TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE (TCM)
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC P0038
Definition:
O2 Sensor 1/2 Heater Circuit High
Description:
The primary objective of the Oxygen (O2) Sensor Heater Control is to attain the fastest possible temperature rise, and to control the steady state temperature of the O2 Sensor. A Positive Temperature Coefficient (PTC) element inside the O2 Sensor heats up as current passes through it. This allows the system to enter Closed Loop quickly and meet the OBD II requirements for continuous monitoring and to deliver accurate readings. This is accomplished by the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) sending a Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) current to the O2 Sensors heater element. The PWM duty cycle is calculated, in response to the temperature measurements. The PCM uses the collected information to continually adjust the PWM to achieve a desired steady state temperature target.
Cause:
O2 SENSOR 1/2 HEATER CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE
O2 SENSOR 1/2 HEATER CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN/HIGH RESISTANCE
FUSED ASD RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN/HIGH RESISTANCE
OXYGEN SENSOR 1/2
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC P1607
Definition:
PCM Internal Shutdown Timer Rationality
Description:
The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) compares actual shutdown time to a calculated shutdown time value. The calculated shut down time value is based on the amount the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) should drop after a completely warmed up engine is shut down for a minimum of 8 hours. If the difference between actual shutdown time and the calculated shut down time is greater than a maximum value, a one trip failure will set. The shutdown time is measured again after 1 hour of ignition off time following the next engine warm up cycle. The PCM compares the shutdown time to a calculated value. If the difference is greater than a maximum value, the MIL is illuminated and a DTC will set.
Cause:
COOLING SYSTEM ISSUES
AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE (AAT) SENSOR
ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE (ECT) SENSOR
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) SOFTWARE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
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Jeep Jeep DTC U110E
Definition:
Lost Ambient Temperature Message
Description:
Treat this DTC as a IMPLAUSIBLE SIGNAL DTC when performing the COMMUNICATION DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE.
Cause:
AAT SENSOR WIRING ISSUE
AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE (AAT) SENSOR
BODY CONTROL MODULE (BCM)
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Yikes, that's a lot of codes! But judging by what most of them are, is sounds like you've got a wiring issue. The first 2 things that I would check are all the grounds under the hood, and the relay box that's below the left headlight. Both are known for corrosion and can cause similar symptoms. Could also be a bad PCM or TIPM, but I'd check for a wiring problem first.

 

[maxxedoutmom]

There were some folks who had trouble with ESP/BAS systems going haywire and it was a power splice in the wire loom along or near the driver side rocker. It had gotten water in it and corroded. They both fixed it by cutting and re-soldering the wires. You might want to start some wire loom jiggle tests to see if you can track down something similar.

I had my throttle body replaced, and the wires repaired to my gas pedal, and after three weeks it's back to not working again. Any other ideas on what this could be? I have a 2010 Jeep Patriot Sport.

 

[Sandstone]

I had my throttle body replaced, and the wires repaired to my gas pedal, and after three weeks it's back to not working again. Any other ideas on what this could be? I have a 2010 Jeep Patriot Sport.

What error codes are present?

 

[maxxedoutmom]

What error codes are present?

The lightening bolt, which is the ETC I believe. When you step on the gas pedal, there is nothing, again. I just paid 1100 for the last repair.

 

[Sandstone]

Lightening bolt is the throttle body. ESP is the car with snakes/squiggly lines.

I'd take it back to who did the repairs.

 

[maxxedoutmom]

Lightening bolt is the throttle body. ESP is the car with snakes/squiggly lines.

I'd take it back to who did the repairs.

I am taking it back, I've already called my mechanic. Fun fun! This will be my 4th tow, and my third mechanic. This one is the best!

 

[Danmax]

There were some folks who had trouble with ESP/BAS systems going haywire and it was a power splice in the wire loom along or near the driver side rocker. It had gotten water in it and corroded. They both fixed it by cutting and re-soldering the wires. You might want to start some wire loom jiggle tests to see if you can track down something similar.

Hi Todde, My wife filled up at a Krogers gas station & it started running bad and after I drove it for 3 miles, the ETC & either the ESP or Traction control light is on. So it was either bad gas or another grounding issue. lol I was just going to give the Patriot to my daughter because she got into an accident with the Toyota Tacoma so it's just gonna have to be parted out or sold as it. I'm not spending another $1500 in parts so she can drive it. Just when I was able to get it so no warning lights were staying on, this happens. I told her we need to put about 4 cans of dry gas into the tank because Kroger must have sold bad gas.... I only buy at the local Speedway station because they always get good gas. The wife was taking advantage of the $0.50 0ff per gallon lol. ya gotta love them when they try to save money. So instead of jumping off a bridge, once the temperature cools down outside, I'll start checking grounding lugs again & pop out the TIPM to see if it's a corroded wire/wires that are causing the issue. (That's happened a few times with this Patriot.)

 

[mrkenjj]

45 days since I replaced the throttle body and it is working perfect.

How much they charged you for replacing it?

 

[dgailw]

The computer knows something is wrong, but why it does not set a DTC? Why it doesnt turn on the check engine light? Two days ago I replaced the throttle body and I took it to the dealer in order to make the ETC Relearn procedure. Now it is working fine. But because it was an intermittent failure I am not sure the the problem was solved replacing the throttle body. What else can turn on the ETC and the traction lights ? Could be a wheel sensor? a brake sensor?

Having same problem with 2014 Dodge Journey.

 

[Sandstone]

If there's no codes, make sure the scanner you're using is capable of reading all Dodge make and model specific codes. Some inexpensive scan tools don't do this.

Also, you may want to check in with a Dodge Journey forum, they may be more helpful.