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I heard rumors that kavanaugh, the new candidate for the supreme court, is anti affirmative action. Maybe there is hope afterall to get it repealed.

I still stand by my idea that instead of targeting people on race, I have yet to hear a good argument on targeting people based on low income and where they live (poor schools, jobs, crime etc). Isn't that the main reason they fail to do well at life instead of just because they are black?
 

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I still stand by my idea that instead of targeting people on race, I have yet to hear a good argument on targeting people based on low income and where they live (poor schools, jobs, crime etc). Isn't that the main reason they fail to do well at life instead of just because they are black?
You know what, dude? That is honestly f***ing brilliant. Like, makes me want to facepalm for not thinking of it myself. As someone who prides himself on thinking unconventionally, I am embarrassed for arguing for the concept of AA when *this* would actually much more effectively targeted. This is truly a progressive idea (lowercase p, that is). Caveat: I think the devil is in the details; but on its face at least, I could definitely get behind something like this as a replacement for AA.

(And I'm not gonna say a thing about Kav, because that probably will undermine my honest sentiment above.)

Thank you for sharing this.
 

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You know what, dude? That is honestly f***ing brilliant. Like, makes me want to facepalm for not thinking of it myself. As someone who prides himself on thinking unconventionally, I am embarrassed for arguing for the concept of AA when *this* would actually much more effectively targeted. This is truly a progressive idea (lowercase p, that is). Caveat: I think the devil is in the details; but on its face at least, I could definitely get behind something like this as a replacement for AA.

(And I'm not gonna say a thing about Kav, because that probably will undermine my honest sentiment above.)

Thank you for sharing this.
I can't tell if you are serious based on just the text nature of your response, but did I really change your mind that what I mentioned is a good replacement for AA?

This replacement actually already exists. There are plenty of scholarships for low income or people from depressed areas. Even at my job right now, they offer healthcare premiums at different rates depending on income levels. So now that we have these, why do we even need AA anymore?
 

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I can't tell if you are serious based on just the text nature of your response, but did I really change your mind that what I mentioned is a good replacement for AA?

This replacement actually already exists. There are plenty of scholarships for low income or people from depressed areas. Even at my job right now, they offer healthcare premiums at different rates depending on income levels. So now that we have these, why do we even need AA anymore?
My response is genuine. I considered what you said, and I couldn't see a solid-enough reason that AA beats the solutions you suggested.

I think there's a lot of nuance to be considered, but at least on it's face, it seems like a more fair solution than a race-based one. I think programs that give a chance to underprivileged people are vitally important - and I believe that, at its heart, AA was honestly meant to make things more fair. But I can get behind income-based and location-based initiatives that solve the same problem.
 

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I still stand by my idea that instead of targeting people on race, I have yet to hear a good argument on targeting people based on low income and where they live (poor schools, jobs, crime etc). Isn't that the main reason they fail to do well at life instead of just because they are black?
When I went to college they used to have EOGs (Economic Opportunity Grants). I'm not sure what the criteria were, but I qualified. While not dirt poor, my family only maintained a middle class appearance through very careful management of our limited finances. I didn't always get the best grades for a variety of reasons, but one was that I was working 35hrs a week as a high school student, and in college I was working as many as four p/t jobs at the same time. Due to my religious commitment I quit drinking after high school and actually made Dean's List in college a couple times. Might have done even better if I wasn't distracted by my now ex-GF.

FYI, if I wanted to play the race card, I have in fact as much Native American blood as Elizabeth Warren claims to have, but I never mentioned it on any applications.
 

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For each application I fill out I already respond to the question what is your race with "I prefer not to respond". They always have this option in each of the applications.
 

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I also write in Croatian ... in not white nor Caucasian.
 

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Affirmative action is a load of Marxist nonsense. It's just another way of discriminating against white people (yet again) and forcibly filling job posts with less or under qualified non-white people (or minorities, as they say, who in reality live in areas of the US and UK where they are the majority, and are a global majority anyway.)

They call it "positive discrimination" in the UK. You couldn't make this s**t up. This is all the fault of the left, and also modern day neo-conservatives (who were often hardline trotskyites and marxists of the 70s/80s) who now preach an aggressive foreign policy, weak border policy, and everything that isn't America or Europe's interest. Yes, Jeb Bush, I'm talking about people like you.
 

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Its today's millennial and snowflakes whom are voting for this change at a rapid rate my friend.
Its a world wide epidemic!
 

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Its today's millennial and snowflakes whom are voting for this change at a rapid rate my friend.
Its a world wide epidemic!
Mostly educated millennials too. Tells me everything I need to know.

The utter majority of professors at Universities, (and especially teachers in school) are more so liberal, than conservative. I know some of the absolute BS they ram down kids' throats today in schools and colleges. "Equality and diversity." Multiculturalism. "White privilege." Etc etc.

I didn't go to University. I wanted to, but didn't quite feel ready for it. Truth be told, I got very good grades in high school, but in sixth form here in the UK, I was too interested playing Xbox Live and messing around with networks/hacking (true story) that I flunked my A Levels and didn't get the grades to go to University. If I tried, I could have gone, but I didn't. The media would call me "far-right," but I'm actually very independent-minded. I work in the outdoors sector and am environmental (although not quite like the hippies you see) and I'm more of left of centre for economic issues. I believe capitalism has a lot of flaws, and would consider myself more of a socialist here. All I'll say, is I have friends in the US (Trump supporters) who hate working/employment culture there. Bad holiday leave, hire and fire culture, crap maternity leave, all about profit not people. I'm not ranting against the US, I love America, and while I think our employment laws in Europe are undoubtedly better for workers, our freedom of speech is going down the pan and I'm envious of your 1st amendment, and frankly, 2nd amendment too, which I support.

On social views though I am without doubt a conservative. Immigration, multiculturalism, marriage etc. My siblings are both liberal and both went to University. Funny that.

I honestly believe that the Marxist lecturers we have teaching at our Universities, are indoctrinating and conditioning young people with such crap. People don't seem to have the capacity to think for themselves any more. Everything is "racist," "sexist," "homophobic" etc. Young people are embarrassing.

I'm 28 now and my generation make me cringe.
 

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Mostly educated millennials too. Tells me everything I need to know.

The utter majority of professors at Universities, (and especially teachers in school) are more so liberal, than conservative. I know some of the absolute BS they ram down kids' throats today in schools and colleges. "Equality and diversity." Multiculturalism. "White privilege." Etc etc.

I didn't go to University. I wanted to, but didn't quite feel ready for it. Truth be told, I got very good grades in high school, but in sixth form here in the UK, I was too interested playing Xbox Live and messing around with networks/hacking (true story) that I flunked my A Levels and didn't get the grades to go to University. If I tried, I could have gone, but I didn't. The media would call me "far-right," but I'm actually very independent-minded. I work in the outdoors sector and am environmental (although not quite like the hippies you see) and I'm more of left of centre for economic issues. I believe capitalism has a lot of flaws, and would consider myself more of a socialist here. All I'll say, is I have friends in the US (Trump supporters) who hate working/employment culture there. Bad holiday leave, hire and fire culture, crap maternity leave, all about profit not people. I'm not ranting against the US, I love America, and while I think our employment laws in Europe are undoubtedly better for workers, our freedom of speech is going down the pan and I'm envious of your 1st amendment, and frankly, 2nd amendment too, which I support.

On social views though I am without doubt a conservative. Immigration, multiculturalism, marriage etc. My siblings are both liberal and both went to University. Funny that.

I honestly believe that the Marxist lecturers we have teaching at our Universities, are indoctrinating and conditioning young people with such crap. People don't seem to have the capacity to think for themselves any more. Everything is "racist," "sexist," "homophobic" etc. Young people are embarrassing.

I'm 28 now and my generation make me cringe.
You sound lost to what America is becoming Envious of what? Seems there is an attack on the press, Religion establishments are forcing their views on America, Militarized Police watch over people assemble to protest. The right to bear arms? To whom does this refer too? Congress is waste and gets all the benefits while people believe its about open borders, illegals, etc whatever makes them angry at the real fact that the taxpayer gets screwed when congressional powers are abused, it amazes me how Congress is so lavished with free healthcare, retirement, backroom deals that sweeten their own wealth and half the Nation is angry at the lies thrown at them....
 

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Mostly educated millennials too. Tells me everything I need to know.

The utter majority of professors at Universities, (and especially teachers in school) are more so liberal, than conservative. . . .
I honestly believe that the Marxist lecturers we have teaching at our Universities, are indoctrinating and conditioning young people with such crap. People don't seem to have the capacity to think for themselves any more . . .
College education ought to teach people how to think for themselves and how to recognize bias in what you read. I remember particular exercises in that -- looking for the determinants of a writer's perspective, e.g., "There are two ways of looking at this . . ." That's an obvious clue to how the writer sees things, and plays a large part in the conclusions that might be drawn. The writer's thesis statement needs to be analyzed, because usually a thesis statement suggests an already drawn conclusion. I've yet to read the last chapter of a book that begins with, "Darn! I've really failed to prove my thesis, haven't I?" Quite to the contrary, once a thesis has been articulated, contradictory evidence is usually minimized or omitted altogether.

Too often professors only choose texts they agree with which really shortchanges the students -- they only get half an education. It is a real eye-opener to read texts with which I disagree and that also disagree with each other!
 
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