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I have a 2007 Patriot 4x4 with an automatic transmission. Recently, while sitting at a fast food drive thru with the transmission in drive and my foot on the brake, the ESP/BAS and Traction Control lights came on and would not go off. I drove back to my house and turned the engine off, started the engine again and the lights remain lit. I could not get the lights to go off. The next morning I drove to the Jeep dealership to have it looked at and of course the lights went out before I got there. I went ahead and took it since I have just over 33k miles and the warranty is about to expire. The dealer told me that I needed a new "clockspring" and they had to order it and it would take about a week. I have been driving a couple of days since this happened and the lights have not come back on. Can anyone tell me what a "clockspring" does and if this could really be why my ESP/BAS and Traction Control lights would not go off? Has anyone had a similar problem?

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Shawn

UPDATE: 7/25/13 since having the clockspring replaced I have no longer had the issue. Now have over 60k
 

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A clockspring is used in your steering wheel to transfer signals from the wheel to the car computer.

I have no idea why that would cause the ESP/BAS light to turn on.
Maybe the ESP uses some steering wheel position sensor to correlate tire movement with intended direction? No signal, means error mode??
 

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There is a sensor in each wheel hub that monitors data needed for the systems to operate. When BOTH warning indicators come on, it usually indicates a problem with one of the sensors. When the problem is intermittant, it is usually a bad connection or a chaffed wire to a sensor. The proper response to this problem is to disconnect the wiring harness plug at each of the (4) wheel sensors - check for wire damage (chaffing, bare wire, kinking, etc) - check for dirt and/or corrosion - clean both the plug and contacts - use liberal dielectic grease - and reinstall the plug. This is a common problem on modern cars with ABS, traction control, stability control, etc. when you live in areas of the country with higher moisture, snow and use of roadway salts and chemicals for ice and snow removal. It is also a possibility that one of your hubs is failing, but that would be unusual until the vehicle has 50-60K miles on it. I would take it back to where you had the service done and have them check the connectors and wiring. You have to figure that having exposed wires running to an area of the car that moves up and down (suspension), rotates (front - steering), exposed to heat, cold, elements and flying road objects - there will eventually be a failure. I have no idea why the dealer would think the problem is in the steering column/system/clockspring.
 

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A clockspring is used in your steering wheel to transfer signals from the wheel to the car computer.

I have no idea why that would cause the ESP/BAS light to turn on.
Maybe the ESP uses some steering wheel position sensor to correlate tire movement with intended direction? No signal, means error mode??
Yes. The ESP system that Chrysler uses does have a steering sensor so that it knows the position of the wheel.

The use of this sensor is most noticible in the 300C. When you have the wheel hardover and nail the throttle the ESP system will limit the throttle reponse until the wheel is straight.
 

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Mine came on and I had to have some wires replaced in the front driver kick panel. They rubbed through the insulation and shorted out.
 

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Yes, but you do not normally get both warning lights (WSP and Traction control) for a steering column wiring and/or clockspring problem. Both warning lights usually indicate a problem with the wheel hub wiring or sensors.
 

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I would think that the technician would have been able to read a code telling him what the problem is? Is this assumption wrong? Should I take to another dealership for another opinion? They told me they would call me when the clockspring comes in. I have been driving it for three or four days now since the lights initially came on and haven't had it occur anymore. I just know I want the problem fixed before the warranty expires!

By the way, someone hit my Patriot today in the parking garage at work. No dents but left their red paint and a bunch of scrapes & scratches on my rear bumper just behind the driver side wheel. I'm so pissed right now! Sucks when people are dishonest and just drive away... Oh well, they will end up paying for it in some other way eventually!
 

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The clock spring holds the steering angle sensor. The steering angle is a primary input to ESC as it represents where the driver intends to go. The yaw rate and lateral acceleration are then correlated to the steering angle. When the 3 inputs do not represent what a vehicle with no tires slipping would do, ESC activates.

TC should not be affected, though. While the steering angle can improve TC performance, it is not necessary.

Hope the new part helps, but you may never know if it never happens again anyway!
 

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I had a similar problem this spring and found out that some wire connections that are under the driver's floor mat have become corroded. I thought I was the only one until I searched through this site and found other car owner's also have this problem. If it is this try to get it fixed before your warranty expires as I noticed on the bill there is a lot of labour hours to fix this thing.
 

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reviving an old thread here, but this happened to me today, both esp/bas and skidding car icons became illuminated while driving on the interstate. It was a VERY windy day and I was holding the wheel close to 20 degrees left. my hypothesis is I accelerated to maintain my speed (about 85) on the highway, with the wheel cranked sideways even though the car was moving straight and caused a system fault with the ESP. I think this because my car has only 20k miles and is in great condition. i scheduled a warranty repair/inspection for it next week, but with thanksgiving its going to be close to a week for it. what do you folks think?
 

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Same issue

I just had the same light/problem pop up on my 2008 patriot. Of course it now has 37,000 miles on it and the warranty stopped at 36,000. Is this something that can still be covered? I'm really disappointed in this car!
 

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This exact problem happed to my wife's 2008 Wrangler Unlimited. All three lights would turn on. When we would bring it in they could never get it to duplicate. Finally we brought it in while they were on and had them scan it. They replaced the module in the center console and it never happened again. For some reason they could only trace the problem while the warning lights were illuminated.
 

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I just had this problem occur. I was driving down the road and felt a sensation of the Jeep 'wobbling' or in other words, a distinct loss of control. This feeling dissappeared very quickly and was immediately followed by the illumination of the ESP/BAS light and the traction control light. I called my dealer, explained the situation and told them about the ESP/BAS light. Before I could mention the TCS light, they guessed that this one was on as well. Common issue perhaps?

That said, these lights as well as the 4WD! light came on last year accompanied by a terrible clicking in the dash (relay apparantly). At that service call, the dealer stated that it was a corrosion problem with a wiring harness beneath the carpet on the drivers side front. Several forum members have mentioned this above in this thread and indeed I posted on the issue last year as well.

In this case, I doubt that the problem is the harness under the carpet - the sensation of 'loss of control' seems to imply that those who posted info regarding sensors in the wheels may be on to something. Its as if the Jeep was 'confused'. It actually felt like I was driving a rutted road and was caught in them to further describe the feeling.

The bloody Jeep goes back in for service Friday so I'll report back. Incidently I was at the dealer just yesterday for a clunking issue on the passenger side rear (4th time no solution). They replaced a strut mount, toe links (second time), several bushing and what may be called a lateral arm. I'm wondering if they [email protected] something up when they replaced essentially the entire suspension on that side... Seems distinctly possible. Oh yeah, there is still another 'arm' of some sort to be replaced which will hopefully alleviate the rattle/clunk. They should be doing all of it Friday.

Incidently, the Jeep is an 08 FDII with only 22,500 KM. Despite my love for the Pat, I have had too many problems. It will be someone elses headache when the lease is up!
 

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I just experienced this same issue a few minutes ago. At least judging by the responses here it isn't the tranny which was my concern.

Good thing I purchased the extended warranty... my Jeep rolled to 60,000KM last night.
 

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When you have the wheel hardover and nail the throttle the ESP system will limit the throttle reponse until the wheel is straight.
That's why I can't do a burnout....I thought it was because of the four cyl engine ;)

I'll try it tomorrow with the ESP off :D
 

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bringing back an old thread cause I had the same problem last week. ESP/BAS light went on and stayed on about 3 days before going off. I called my dealer the first day the light was on to see when I could come around to have it checked.

So I left my jeep at the dealer today and even if the light was off, the computer still had a code recorded. It poped as soon as the guy pluged in is scanner. Here's what came out :

C2205 Steering angle internal sensor.

He changed the clockspring. Don't know if it was really the problem since the light went off by itself, so I can't notice any difference. But still, everything was covered, so I may be good for more problem-free good time with my Pat!
 

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I have had this series of lights come on 3 distinct times since 08. Twice it was due to a corroded connector in the wiring harness beneth the carpet on the drivers side front. Once it was another electrical short at a rear wheel.

My dealer told me that the routing of the cable beneeth the carpet is simply poor - especially if you live in salt infested areas.
 

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I have had this series of lights come on 3 distinct times since 08. Twice it was due to a corroded connector in the wiring harness beneth the carpet on the drivers side front. Once it was another electrical short at a rear wheel.

My dealer told me that the routing of the cable beneeth the carpet is simply poor - especially if you live in salt infested areas.
Where is the wiring harness connector located at? I'm failing to see how salt can corrode a connector inside the cab? Are there holes that salt water and splash up and into the cab under the carpet? Seems to me any hole allowing that would be a bigger issue than runing wiring under the carpet. Pretty much every vehicle i've seen has had wiring ran along edge of door under the carpet. And that's generally the preferred way to run wiring for stereo gear in trunk of cars and beds of trucks. Everyone I know including myself did that when I was a teenager back in the 90s.

There's wires ran along inside of drivers side floor under carpet of my 99 ram. running wires there is nothing new for automobile companies.

- Dan M

I was just thinking, maybe it's not splashing up from road, but coming off bottom of shoes?
 
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