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https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

" . . . We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested . . ."
So far mine has not failed, but it is the weirdest transmission I've ever had. Strangest part is the gap between 5 and 4 when downshifting. There is a significant lag, as in a few seconds. That's a long time.

It may just be too complex to be practical or durable. Time will tell.
 

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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-jeep-cherokee-v-6-awd-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

"Buyers with serious off-roading on the docket will only be satisfied by the purpose-built Trailhawk, but it's at the high end of the Compass's price bracket. For those who want most of the performance, the Latitude model is a good choice. We'd spec ours with all-wheel drive, a no-cost option in this trim. We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested; for those disinclined to shift for themselves, the automatic adds $1500."

After reading the above reviews from Car and Driver, I could consider a down the road replacement for our 2015 Patriot as the Compass with the 6 speed stick transmission since I am the only driver in our family.
If you put any stock in what Car and Driver have to say then how did you end up with a Patriot? For it's entire life cycle all they did was bash it and the first gen Compass.
 

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All the stuff I have read about the 9 speed ZF transmission on the Cherokee forum and others probably has caused me to shy away from it more than any other reason. I recently found out that a manual transmission is no longer available on the 2019 Jeep Renegade. I hope our Patriot lives for a long long time.
 

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All the stuff I have read about the 9 speed ZF transmission on the Cherokee forum and others probably has caused me to shy away from it more than any other reason. I recently found out that a manual transmission is no longer available on the 2019 Jeep Renegade. I hope our Patriot lives for a long long time.
People like to complain about the 9 speed, but they actually don't understand how it works.

I have it in my 2014 Cherokee Zero issues, I also have it in my 2016 Cherokee, zero issues.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/02/zfs-9-speed-9hp-transmission-puts-dog-clutches-on-the-leash/

It's a good read and explains how it works. The shifts are imperceptible in regular driving you don't hear/feel anything other than see the rpms drop. Under full throttle it shifts crisp and fast.

I get that people will read something online and shy away from it, but do yourself a favor and actually go drive a vehicle with a 9 speed and you might be pleasantly surprised
 

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So far mine has not failed, but it is the weirdest transmission I've ever had. Strangest part is the gap between 5 and 4 when downshifting. There is a significant lag, as in a few seconds. That's a long time.

It may just be too complex to be practical or durable. Time will tell.
Read my last post, dog clutches that explains the slightly longer shift
 

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yes the latter years added like nine inches or so to the patriots height starting in 2011, if im not mistaken?
9 inches is alot of lift. They added a single inch to the FD1 Patriots so they would have the same ground clearance as the FD2, approximately 9 inches. FWD 2011-2017 have the same ground clearance and apparent sag as the probably 95% or more of 2007-2010 Patriots that weren't bought with FD2.
 

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Read my last post, dog clutches that explains the slightly longer shift
Aside from the gap between 5 and 4, its overall pretty smooth. That gap, however, comes right where you want it when using the transmission to descend hills.

The ZF is a tiny transmission and incredibly light -- that's probably why its so popular among many manufacturers. If you've got a lot of time on your hands you can watch this:
It says "Part 2 of 2" but it seems to explain everything.
 

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9 inches is alot of lift. They added a single inch to the FD1 Patriots so they would have the same ground clearance as the FD2, approximately 9 inches. FWD 2011-2017 have the same ground clearance and apparent sag as the probably 95% or more of 2007-2010 Patriots that weren't bought with FD2.
Maybe I was misinformed then. I read somewhere the 2011 patriots are higher than 2010 and previous models
 

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Maybe I was misinformed then. I read somewhere the 2011 patriots are higher than 2010 and previous models
The FWD models got that inch. Parking Ignatz (2008) and Bullwinkle (2014) next to each other on a level surface, one could just about see the difference.
 

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Maybe it was that FWD got the old FD1 height, or Ignatz fell victim to the spring sag and that's the difference you saw. But 2011-2017 FD1 are definitely a single inch taller than 2007-2010 FD1 models.
 

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I must have confused the nine inch Freedom drive with the one inch difference that started with the 2011 models.


I remember doing research on the patriot and a user mentioned the inch difference makes a difference.
 

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Yes, 2010 was the last year that FD2 sat an inch higher than FD1. Starting 2011 all 4wd models had the standard 9-inch height, which had previously been exclusive to FD2. That's probably where you got the 9 inches. FWD still sat lower than any 4x4 model. And yes, every inch makes a difference off-road, but as long as you're not ripping pieces off, traction and torque are a bit more important. That's why so many complain about "lack of power", when it has power but just doesn't always put it to the ground like many are accustomed to.
 

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The FWD models got that inch. Parking Ignatz (2008) and Bullwinkle (2014) next to each other on a level surface, one could just about see the difference.
I just re-ead this thread . You're very knowledgeable , impressive.
 
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