6F24 six speed auto stick --2015 Patriot - Fluid Check and Change Info
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My 2014 factory service manual states: The factory fill fluid capacity of the 6F24 Automatic Transaxle is 7.5 qt.. Service fill with full torque converter and fluid cooler is 5 qt..
In the service section, they state that after draining (drain plug), add 4.3 quarts. Then start the vehicle and run in neutral for a few minutes. Stop, add 1 quart. Then do the fluid level check procedure and add or remove fluid as needed.
The dipstick part number is 10323A and can be bought online for about $25: https://mopar.snapon.com/online-catalog.aspx. Besides the drain plug, there are two ports. One is the dipstick port and one is the fill port.
Hope this helps.
EDIT 8/2018: There now seems to be an aftermarket dipstick for the 6F24 automatic transmission . Google CTA-1017 for many options under $23. The black finish sucks, but is probably usable.
There also is now also a You Tube video for changing the Patriot 6 speed tranny fluid:
In the service section, they state that after draining (drain plug), add 4.3 quarts. Then start the vehicle and run in neutral for a few minutes. Stop, add 1 quart. Then do the fluid level check procedure and add or remove fluid as needed.
The dipstick part number is 10323A and can be bought online for about $25: https://mopar.snapon.com/online-catalog.aspx. Besides the drain plug, there are two ports. One is the dipstick port and one is the fill port.
Hope this helps.
EDIT 8/2018: There now seems to be an aftermarket dipstick for the 6F24 automatic transmission . Google CTA-1017 for many options under $23. The black finish sucks, but is probably usable.
There also is now also a You Tube video for changing the Patriot 6 speed tranny fluid:
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I am aware of the dipstick port,so my question is:WHERE IS THE FILL PORT LOCATED???? Thank you!! Dave!!!
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Its described as a fill plug on the vent pod located on the front of the valve body pan. That would be #3 on the diagram below. http://www.mopar.com/jeep/patriot/2014/shop/357373/286/5190/
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I'm in the middle of learning more about our trannies. According to this link, our Hyundai PowerTech 6F24 is the equivalent Hyundai A6MF1: http://www.searchautoparts.com/moto...sion/little-more-about-6-speed-korea?page=0,2 ....Check out the excellent pics at this link.
This link (and others) state that there is a fill level plug on the valve body pan that is used to "measure" the fluid level. Our factory service manual has nothing about this and confirmation is needed. Seems to be #4 on the picture. Maybe our Patriot trannies are mounted different and cannot use this fill level plug vs. Hyundai vehicles.
Anyway, if you do some Hyundai searches with their transmission model, you can learn more about tranny fluid change (Youtube also). I will edit this as I learn more.
I'm in the middle of learning more about our trannies. According to this link, our Hyundai PowerTech 6F24 is the equivalent Hyundai A6MF1: http://www.searchautoparts.com/moto...sion/little-more-about-6-speed-korea?page=0,2 ....Check out the excellent pics at this link.
This link (and others) state that there is a fill level plug on the valve body pan that is used to "measure" the fluid level. Our factory service manual has nothing about this and confirmation is needed. Seems to be #4 on the picture. Maybe our Patriot trannies are mounted different and cannot use this fill level plug vs. Hyundai vehicles.
Anyway, if you do some Hyundai searches with their transmission model, you can learn more about tranny fluid change (Youtube also). I will edit this as I learn more.
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o.k., here's my update to my above post for those interested. Peeking through a triangular opening on the driver side, below the front bumper and through the plastic skid plate, you can see that we DO have the same fill level plug as the Hyundai's - part number 4 in the illustration above. In liew of using a dipstick (tool 10323A -$25), it SEEMS that we could follow the Hyundai/Kia procedure: Car level in all directions. Engine running, tranny at proper temp, fill tranny until fluid starts to trickle out of the fill level hole.
Here's some links: Note - maybe our trannies are mounted different and the front port cannot be used for level checks. This needs verification.
Hyundai factory manual procedure. Click forward arrow to see procedure: ..........kudos to Hyundai and Kia for putting their factory service manual on line for public use.
http://www.hemanual.org/fluid_components_and_components_location-1540.html
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/yf-2011-sonata-i45/174177-atf-drain-fill-pics-those-interested.html
YouTube...note he is wrong in checking level with engine off, and, color is not a good indicator of fluid conditions (verified by Chrysler):
Use this info at your own discretion. I will verify things when I do my own. I don't like universal fluids, so I will use real SP-IV. I hope this clears up the confusion about our trannies being "sealed" unserviceable units. In some ways, they are easier. No pan to drop or filter to change. It has a drain plug! One just needs to follow the procedure: level car, proper temps., proper fluid. Our Hyundai friends think that one should minimally follow the severe service schedule with a 60,000 mile fluid change. Some are doing it more often.
DEFINITELY DIY POSSIBLE AND NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Save yourself $200-$300 AND keep your tranny healthy.
Here's some links: Note - maybe our trannies are mounted different and the front port cannot be used for level checks. This needs verification.
Hyundai factory manual procedure. Click forward arrow to see procedure: ..........kudos to Hyundai and Kia for putting their factory service manual on line for public use.
http://www.hemanual.org/fluid_components_and_components_location-1540.html
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/yf-2011-sonata-i45/174177-atf-drain-fill-pics-those-interested.html
YouTube...note he is wrong in checking level with engine off, and, color is not a good indicator of fluid conditions (verified by Chrysler):
Use this info at your own discretion. I will verify things when I do my own. I don't like universal fluids, so I will use real SP-IV. I hope this clears up the confusion about our trannies being "sealed" unserviceable units. In some ways, they are easier. No pan to drop or filter to change. It has a drain plug! One just needs to follow the procedure: level car, proper temps., proper fluid. Our Hyundai friends think that one should minimally follow the severe service schedule with a 60,000 mile fluid change. Some are doing it more often.
DEFINITELY DIY POSSIBLE AND NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Save yourself $200-$300 AND keep your tranny healthy.
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IMPORTANT FINAL UPDATES TO PATRIOT 6 SPEED FLUID CHANGE:
I added a few edits above since this information was first posted:
- link to a less expensive aftermarket dip stick: http://www.ctatools.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1527
- link to a You Tube video just for the Patriot www.youtube.com/watch?v=21irJQJkXj0
- warnings to verify using the hyundai method of fluid level checking (front port vs. dipstick). The front port/transmission angle maybe is mounted different on the Patriot vs. Hyundai. See ALLPAR link below.
The Patriot service manual gives a dipstick only method of determining fluid level while Hyundai recommends using the front port plug method to check fluid level.
This is an FCA TSB outlining the second way (front port plug) https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2015/MC-10144906-9999.pdf
NOTE: This following Allpar forum thread describes the new TSB method: It states that our transmission is mounted at a different angle than on Hyundai vehicles. Therefore, after the fluid dribbles out of the front port, you then close the port and add an additional 24 oz. to reach the correct level. The ALLpar thread confirmed that both methods result in the same level, checked with a dipstick at the correct temperature.
https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/2016-jeep-patriot-6-speed-automatic-fluid.169895/
I added a few edits above since this information was first posted:
- link to a less expensive aftermarket dip stick: http://www.ctatools.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1527
- link to a You Tube video just for the Patriot www.youtube.com/watch?v=21irJQJkXj0
- warnings to verify using the hyundai method of fluid level checking (front port vs. dipstick). The front port/transmission angle maybe is mounted different on the Patriot vs. Hyundai. See ALLPAR link below.
The Patriot service manual gives a dipstick only method of determining fluid level while Hyundai recommends using the front port plug method to check fluid level.
This is an FCA TSB outlining the second way (front port plug) https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2015/MC-10144906-9999.pdf
NOTE: This following Allpar forum thread describes the new TSB method: It states that our transmission is mounted at a different angle than on Hyundai vehicles. Therefore, after the fluid dribbles out of the front port, you then close the port and add an additional 24 oz. to reach the correct level. The ALLpar thread confirmed that both methods result in the same level, checked with a dipstick at the correct temperature.
https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/2016-jeep-patriot-6-speed-automatic-fluid.169895/
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Hi everyone
Im new in the comuniti (and with my jeep patriot 2015) and I can see that you know a lot of the AT 6 speed or have experience.
I have some questions, maybe you can help me.
1. I saw in the beginning of the post that total capacity of the ATF is 7.5 qt, ande the service is about 5 qt, that is right?
2. what kind of fluid you use? the manual says that we need to use Mopar ATF SP-IV, but in the market i just find the ATF SP-IV M, Is it the same (without M and with M)?
3. Did you replace the transmision filter (Mopar 68192984AA)?
If only the fluid, how recommended is this (use the same filter)? and how recommended is replace the old filter? I see that is a little complicate replace it, and I want to know what the community recomend?
Thanks
Im new in the comuniti (and with my jeep patriot 2015) and I can see that you know a lot of the AT 6 speed or have experience.
I have some questions, maybe you can help me.
1. I saw in the beginning of the post that total capacity of the ATF is 7.5 qt, ande the service is about 5 qt, that is right?
2. what kind of fluid you use? the manual says that we need to use Mopar ATF SP-IV, but in the market i just find the ATF SP-IV M, Is it the same (without M and with M)?
3. Did you replace the transmision filter (Mopar 68192984AA)?
If only the fluid, how recommended is this (use the same filter)? and how recommended is replace the old filter? I see that is a little complicate replace it, and I want to know what the community recomend?
Thanks
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I did not confirm the fluid capacity. I ended up letting my MOPAR mechanic friend do my first tranny fluid change (i was dealing with family health crises).
SP-IV M is the newest, upgraded ATF specification-the only one to use. Valvoline Maxlife claims to "meet" this spec.. Using aftermarket universal ATF is a controversial subject - not going there, but I've read convincing evidence that some of these OEM fluids are not as proprietary as they claim. Oops, said I wasn't going there, LOL. Link: http://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/20567_ChemicalCatalog_3_10_16.pdf
The filter is NOT user serviceable. You need to break open the transmission case in order to get to it. Numerous manufacturers are going this route, so there is little use for us old guys to even complain about it.
SP-IV M is the newest, upgraded ATF specification-the only one to use. Valvoline Maxlife claims to "meet" this spec.. Using aftermarket universal ATF is a controversial subject - not going there, but I've read convincing evidence that some of these OEM fluids are not as proprietary as they claim. Oops, said I wasn't going there, LOL. Link: http://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/20567_ChemicalCatalog_3_10_16.pdf
The filter is NOT user serviceable. You need to break open the transmission case in order to get to it. Numerous manufacturers are going this route, so there is little use for us old guys to even complain about it.
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Only change the filter if you are rich and have money to dispose of. Again, the filter is considered non-serviceable. The transmission has to be removed from the vehicle in order to open up the case and replace the filter. I have no idea of the book rate for this, but it must be well over $1,000. Most transmission filters are considered only to be "rock catchers". They only filter out the bigger chunks of debris. Change the fluid every 30 - 60 thousand miles and you will be removing most of the fine wear debris. Some people install Magnefine external filters on a transmission line, but I have not looked into this for our vehicles (had one on my Caravans). https://www.magnefinefilters.com/
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I can't help make that decision. Besides the MOPAR SP4- M, I am aware of the Valvolene Max Life and some BG products that list "suitable for" SP4- M applications. Maybe Castrol TransMax??
Other products listing SP4-M:
http://shop.sclubricants.com/pub/media/pds/shell/Pennzoil-Platinum-LV-Multi-Vehicle-ATF.pdf
https://mag1.com/products/52/pds/
Other products listing SP4-M:
http://shop.sclubricants.com/pub/media/pds/shell/Pennzoil-Platinum-LV-Multi-Vehicle-ATF.pdf
https://mag1.com/products/52/pds/
Just watched the video. Holy cow. i think I'll cheat and measure how much I drain out. At least it will be close enough and the old gunk will be swapped out. Changing a simple fluid shouldn't consist of a temp regulated yoga maneuver requiring double joints.
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I'm trying to change my fluid in a CVT tranny on my Pat. Everything I see online says there should be a tube on the driver side to check the oil level with an aftermarket dipstick. My Pat doesn't have that tube. According to what I have found in research a non CVT will have a plug under the battery box, however my VIN brings back that I do have CVT2 installed from the factory. I have found a tiny black plug closer to cab with a small hose leading under the radiator hoses however I don't think that's the tube I'm looking for.
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