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04-19-2019 04:30 AM
John Smeton
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Originally Posted by Ignatz View Post
The FWD models got that inch. Parking Ignatz (2008) and Bullwinkle (2014) next to each other on a level surface, one could just about see the difference.
I just re-ead this thread . You're very knowledgeable , impressive.
01-05-2019 05:23 PM
RossoRacer Yes, 2010 was the last year that FD2 sat an inch higher than FD1. Starting 2011 all 4wd models had the standard 9-inch height, which had previously been exclusive to FD2. That's probably where you got the 9 inches. FWD still sat lower than any 4x4 model. And yes, every inch makes a difference off-road, but as long as you're not ripping pieces off, traction and torque are a bit more important. That's why so many complain about "lack of power", when it has power but just doesn't always put it to the ground like many are accustomed to.
01-05-2019 04:13 PM
John Smeton I must have confused the nine inch Freedom drive with the one inch difference that started with the 2011 models.


I remember doing research on the patriot and a user mentioned the inch difference makes a difference.
01-05-2019 08:56 AM
RossoRacer Maybe it was that FWD got the old FD1 height, or Ignatz fell victim to the spring sag and that's the difference you saw. But 2011-2017 FD1 are definitely a single inch taller than 2007-2010 FD1 models.
01-05-2019 08:52 AM
Ignatz
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Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
Maybe I was misinformed then. I read somewhere the 2011 patriots are higher than 2010 and previous models
The FWD models got that inch. Parking Ignatz (2008) and Bullwinkle (2014) next to each other on a level surface, one could just about see the difference.
01-05-2019 05:26 AM
John Smeton
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Originally Posted by RossoRacer View Post
9 inches is alot of lift. They added a single inch to the FD1 Patriots so they would have the same ground clearance as the FD2, approximately 9 inches. FWD 2011-2017 have the same ground clearance and apparent sag as the probably 95% or more of 2007-2010 Patriots that weren't bought with FD2.
Maybe I was misinformed then. I read somewhere the 2011 patriots are higher than 2010 and previous models
01-04-2019 04:36 PM
Ignatz
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Originally Posted by Tyler-98-W68 View Post
Read my last post, dog clutches that explains the slightly longer shift
Aside from the gap between 5 and 4, its overall pretty smooth. That gap, however, comes right where you want it when using the transmission to descend hills.

The ZF is a tiny transmission and incredibly light -- that's probably why its so popular among many manufacturers. If you've got a lot of time on your hands you can watch this:
It says "Part 2 of 2" but it seems to explain everything.
01-04-2019 11:01 AM
RossoRacer
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Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
yes the latter years added like nine inches or so to the patriots height starting in 2011, if im not mistaken?
9 inches is alot of lift. They added a single inch to the FD1 Patriots so they would have the same ground clearance as the FD2, approximately 9 inches. FWD 2011-2017 have the same ground clearance and apparent sag as the probably 95% or more of 2007-2010 Patriots that weren't bought with FD2.
01-04-2019 03:43 AM
Tyler-98-W68
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Originally Posted by Ignatz View Post
So far mine has not failed, but it is the weirdest transmission I've ever had. Strangest part is the gap between 5 and 4 when downshifting. There is a significant lag, as in a few seconds. That's a long time.

It may just be too complex to be practical or durable. Time will tell.
Read my last post, dog clutches that explains the slightly longer shift
01-04-2019 03:42 AM
Tyler-98-W68
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Originally Posted by miketmx View Post
All the stuff I have read about the 9 speed ZF transmission on the Cherokee forum and others probably has caused me to shy away from it more than any other reason. I recently found out that a manual transmission is no longer available on the 2019 Jeep Renegade. I hope our Patriot lives for a long long time.
People like to complain about the 9 speed, but they actually don't understand how it works.

I have it in my 2014 Cherokee Zero issues, I also have it in my 2016 Cherokee, zero issues.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...-on-the-leash/

It's a good read and explains how it works. The shifts are imperceptible in regular driving you don't hear/feel anything other than see the rpms drop. Under full throttle it shifts crisp and fast.

I get that people will read something online and shy away from it, but do yourself a favor and actually go drive a vehicle with a 9 speed and you might be pleasantly surprised
01-03-2019 11:34 AM
miketmx All the stuff I have read about the 9 speed ZF transmission on the Cherokee forum and others probably has caused me to shy away from it more than any other reason. I recently found out that a manual transmission is no longer available on the 2019 Jeep Renegade. I hope our Patriot lives for a long long time.
01-03-2019 11:28 AM
DangerAaron
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Originally Posted by miketmx View Post
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

"Buyers with serious off-roading on the docket will only be satisfied by the purpose-built Trailhawk, but it's at the high end of the Compass's price bracket. For those who want most of the performance, the Latitude model is a good choice. We'd spec ours with all-wheel drive, a no-cost option in this trim. We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested; for those disinclined to shift for themselves, the automatic adds $1500."

After reading the above reviews from Car and Driver, I could consider a down the road replacement for our 2015 Patriot as the Compass with the 6 speed stick transmission since I am the only driver in our family.
If you put any stock in what Car and Driver have to say then how did you end up with a Patriot? For it's entire life cycle all they did was bash it and the first gen Compass.
01-02-2019 09:59 PM
Ignatz
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Originally Posted by miketmx View Post
https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

" . . . We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested . . ."
So far mine has not failed, but it is the weirdest transmission I've ever had. Strangest part is the gap between 5 and 4 when downshifting. There is a significant lag, as in a few seconds. That's a long time.

It may just be too complex to be practical or durable. Time will tell.
01-02-2019 06:02 PM
John Smeton
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Originally Posted by Ignatz View Post
Nothing comes close to the Patriot for affordability. Granted the Compass has a more refined interior, but not everyone is looking for that. I had no problem cramming stuff into the back of my Patriot; the Compass just seems to nice to make a trip to the dump or the lumberyard. Just this week I picked up some wood at the lumberyard and the yardhand declined to put my wood into my Compass. They always loaded it into my Patriot. "I don't want to mess up your interior," he said.
Yes I haven't found anything that topped the price of the Patriot for what i want in a vehicle. I like the more rugged look at has, still easily suv, roomy, basic, can go offroad, and can haul stuff around. I like the look of the patriot over the compass look. The compass can be categorized into cuv rather than suv (even though technically the patriot can be considered an cuv , most people automatically assume suv)



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Originally Posted by Ignatz View Post
Right now I've got my studded snow tires on, so for traction it is what it should be. Yesterday I had my Compass on a very rough road /virtual off-road situation with ice and deep puddles. I had to crawl slowly through it and I still managed to touch bottom at one point. I think my FWD Patriot could have done it since it was level ground, and I doubt it would have touched bottom. I'm not sure how the ground clearance compares, but my guess is that the Patriot has more, especially the later years.
yes the latter years added like nine inches or so to the patriots height starting in 2011, if im not mistaken?


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Originally Posted by Ignatz View Post
Being a new drivetrain, the mechanicals are a crap shoot; I've got my fingers crossed. Jeep has a good reputation, and I trust my dealer to take care of me should I have any weird problems or premature failures. But for all the history I have with Jeep (going back to my '74 Cherokee) the words of my high school band director are still true: "You're only as good as your last performance."
Yes with the patriot kinks were getting worked out as we went along and by 2011 many of the issues were not as much.

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Originally Posted by miketmx View Post
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

"Buyers with serious off-roading on the docket will only be satisfied by the purpose-built Trailhawk, but it's at the high end of the Compass's price bracket. For those who want most of the performance, the Latitude model is a good choice. We'd spec ours with all-wheel drive, a no-cost option in this trim. We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested; for those disinclined to shift for themselves, the automatic adds $1500."

After reading the above reviews from Car and Driver, I could consider a down the road replacement for our 2015 Patriot as the Compass with the 6 speed stick transmission since I am the only driver in our family.
Compass is lowest priced in its class. Remember the compass is actually the Patriot's replacement. I wasnt happy with from what I understand the Jeep CEP made this decision despite patriot sales being at an all time high and some people, I dont know the percent numbers and Id guess it was higher in favor of the patriot, on the board wanting to keep it.
01-01-2019 03:57 PM
miketmx https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/compass

"Buyers with serious off-roading on the docket will only be satisfied by the purpose-built Trailhawk, but it's at the high end of the Compass's price bracket. For those who want most of the performance, the Latitude model is a good choice. We'd spec ours with all-wheel drive, a no-cost option in this trim. We'd also choose the standard six-speed manual, as it can hardly be worse than the optional nine-speed automatic we've tested; for those disinclined to shift for themselves, the automatic adds $1500."

After reading the above reviews from Car and Driver, I could consider a down the road replacement for our 2015 Patriot as the Compass with the 6 speed stick transmission since I am the only driver in our family.
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