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Old 03-06-2011, 03:10 PM
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2007/CVT - Not Starting

Key on gives me all the dash indicators and radio. Start positon does nothing, no clicks or dimming of the lights. I did the 15-20 minute battery disconnect, and checked all the fuses in the engine compartment fuse box. Tried running the shifter thru all the positons with the key in the start positon.
The key fob locks and unlocks the doors. Tried the key inverted, while moving the steering wheel, as well as moving the key cylinder in it's bore. (these are steps I found searching sites for a similiar problem. The battery is fresh and the car sat for 2 days in damp weather prior to this failure.
Any and all ideas will be appreciated. Please excuse me if I am delayed getting back to here, my cairn terrier is about to present me with 6 new ones. Thanks.
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:16 PM
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because it doesnt crank... no dimming of light.. i think its the starter...

Of it can be the FOB. does the alarm light blink on your dash? If it does its the key..
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Have you tried your other key?

My moms Malibu came with 2 keys... one worked fine and started the engine. The other would turn everything on (accessory power) but wouldn't start the engine. I had to reprogram the key and now it starts the engine.

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One of my next steps is to check the voltage at the starter. It's been raining since I found this and I can't push it into the garage myself. I can't remember if I ever saw an alarm icon since I had the Jeep.
I did try the other key and thought I'd get lucky. Nope, not today!
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sounds like the starter
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Could be the brake/starter interlock. There's an access hole near the shifter where you can bypass it. Someone else had this problem. Check the owners manual for instructions (I'd check mine but it's not handy at the moment).
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Todde- that lever overrides the shifter lock. As soon as some more ice and snow melts I'll drop the plastic pan and check voltages at the solenoid/starter.
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It's most likely not the key. Even if you use an un-programmed key, the engine will turn over and start, but only run for a second or two.

It could be, but not likely, the starter. With no clicks or lights dimming or anything there is no indication the starter is even being told to make the attempt.

If your battery voltage is low or you have a bad ground or some such, the car might "decide" that there is not enough juice to make the attempt, but it sounds like you have a good battery.

This leaves us with the interlocks. If the car is not detecting that you are in Park, or Neutral, and the brake pedal is not pushed, it will not allow the car to start.

Have someone look at the brake lights when you push the pedal. Then try starting the car in Neutral or Park. If the brake lights are going on then we may suppose something in the shift linkage is not reporting position.

This may be due to a faulty wire somewhere...or a sensor or switch.
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Right, it'll still start but not let you shift out of park. Maybe try moving the shifter from Park to Drive and back again, perhaps the transmission range sensor is having a hiccup? I looked in the service manual, and you may want to check fuses #4, 27 and 28 (all 10 amp Red fuses). Also look at any of the relays under there for any marked Start or Starter. The starter is controlled by the TIPM, so it'll have a relay for the solenoid trigger wire. Almost all of the relays are the same, so if you do find one for the starter, try changing it with another (swap them) or have someone cycle the starter while you listen and/or feel if it's clicking.
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Checked fuses 4, 27, and 28 (the twins in the carrier) All 3 check OK out of the block, and show 12V on either side when in. I found 4 relays in a smaller box under and in front of the fuses. None click whe attempting to start, rotated them thru all 4 positions with no improvement.
That leads me back to an interlock. the brake lights work, and I can move the shifter thru the range when the pedal is depressed, but no starter action when doing it with the key in the "start" position.
As for the starter, oofah. I managed to see the terminals with an inspection camera. Looked to be a heavy red, and a lighter gauge greenish yellow. I really don't want to have to change the starter. Ever. Is it the first part they put in the car and build the rest around it? Or is there a trick to R&Ring it.
I'll venture a guess that the shifter interlock in in the console and take a stab at removing the cover later. Thank you all for the ideas.
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Uh oh. It's off to the dealer we go. Stay tuned.
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its the key.
I cut new keys for my jeep but didn't program them.
The first time I put the new key in, it started for a second then cut off.
When I tried the key a second time it didn't do anything. Acted like the starter was bad.
When I tried a program key, it started the first time.
Then I switched back to a unprogramed key and it started then cut off. Then wouldn't do anything again until I switched keys again.
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Have you tried jumping it? You would be suprised how much of the time it is just a jump even though everything might seem normal.( I do this all day long)
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So far, they've been able to turn it over by forcing a comand to the body control computer. Neither original key works beyond the lock/unlock and the panic buttons.
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Wow. There was a wire, in a harness, between the left fenderwell and body that "corroded" thru. I was advised the technician opened the harness, removed the bad section of wire, and recovered the effected portion of the harness. They said they had the bad section, but wouldn't show it to me. Not bad. Ths adventure cost a mere $755 dollars.
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