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Old 02-22-2011, 10:26 PM
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Jeep Patriot vs. Subaru Forester?

Okay, my wife and I have narrowed down our new/used vehicle search to either an '07-'08 Jeep Patriot Sport 4x4 or a '05-'08 Subaru Forester X or XS.

My wife is pretty much settled on the Jeep, but I have my reservations (cvt performance, water leaks, overall uncertainty w/ the relatively new platform) and I'm not ready to plunk down $15k on a potential unsure thing.

That said, finding a Forester that is NOT in some hideous exterior metallic puke gold w/ camel-colored interior seems like an exercise in futility...but you can't knock the reputation of the Subie. Aside from random head gasket failure, they seem to go for hundreds of thousands of miles w/ routine maintenance.
Subaru owners that I've met have almost a cult-like attitude towards their vehicles and it reminds me of Apple computer users...like myself.

So, do any of the Pat owners here have any experience with Subies?
I'd be interested in hearing your opinions.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:40 PM
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I have owed 2 Patriots ('07 sport 4x4 & '10 latitude 4x4) and have never even heard of water leaks, nor myself had any other issues so to speak. The CVT does get some getting use to, but not in a bad way. The platform itself is stable. Just remember you are getting JEEP and you'll be fine. Its the only way to go.
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:04 PM
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Just remember you are getting JEEP and you'll be fine. Its the only way to go.
Actually, the Patriot is a left-over chassis from the old DaimlerChrysler days, back when there was a semblance of a relationship with Mitsubishi, so it's hardly a Jeep other than in name because it's also a Dodge Caliber and very similar to a Mitsubishi Lancer.
Come 2012, if the Patriot name even survives, it will be a Fiat underneath w/ a Jeep badge on it.
But this is all beside the point...
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my buddy with a Forester chickened out on a snowy little parking area on the side of the road at the top of our local mountain. A 2wd was putting chains on to get out of the lot, and the Suby has summer tires.

I would not have hesitated to go in with the Patriot on factory Goodyear SRA tires.

I'm not saying the Suby would not have made it in and out of the lot - it may also be chicken little driver skillz.
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:25 PM
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my buddy with a Forester chickened out on a snowy little parking area on the side of the road at the top of our local mountain. A 2wd was putting chains on to get out of the lot, and the Suby has summer tires.

I would not have hesitated to go in with the Patriot on factory Goodyear SRA tires.

I'm not saying the Suby would not have made it in and out of the lot - it may also be chicken little driver skillz.
Three of my neighbors have Subies (Outback, Legacy wagon and Legacy sedan) and they all get up out of our steep hill in the snow w/ no problems. So does the guy with the Durango 4x4.
Then there's our other neighbor w/ a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited...sat there spinning the rear wheels in the snow until he was finally instructed to shift into 4wd mode (more money than brains, I guess...).

The Patriot that we're looking at has brand new SR-As on it, so that is a plus.
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I was in a similar spot a few months back. Looking between the Patriot and the Forester in the $15k or less range. No Foresters felt right, and i wasn't a fan of their AWD. Ended up getting an 08 FD1 patriot, and haven't regretted it. The patriot can handle anything i throw at it, and it feels secure while doing it.
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I'm not being biased but I guess the PAT edges the Subaru forester when it comes to over all performance...
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I don't think my dog box would fit in the subies. I doubt I could load one of them up with as much stuff as I haul every weekend.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:12 AM
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I'm not being biased but I guess the PAT edges the Subaru forester when it comes to over all performance...
I'd have to compare side-by-side road test specs to be sure, but the overall numbers on paper are not too far apart. Same goes for the safety ratings and random consumer evaluations that I've seen, which makes the decision more difficult as neither rises above the other.
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I do not have experience owning one, but I am aware that they are very dependable. I really contemplating getting an Impreza before we bought our Jeep, but it was just too small. However, if I could afford an STI now, I might buy one. I also like the new Legacy. The water leak issue is non-existent in the newer models and was only on sunroof equipped Pats(I believe) so don't get a sunroof.

But for $15k, I am guessing you are looking at FWD only or used? This would be a disadvantage compared to the Subie, which is AWD. If you are looking at used, you can get a Patriot for cheaper, but try for a lower mileage 2009, 2010 so you can get the full advantage of the remaining warranty.

As for warranties, Subaru only offers 3/36k with the vehicle. Extended warranties are available, but Im sure they are $$$ like all extended warranties.
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I do not have experience owning one, but I am aware that they are very dependable. I really contemplating getting an Impreza before we bought our Jeep, but it was just too small. However, if I could afford an STI now, I might buy one. I also like the new Legacy. The water leak issue is non-existent in the newer models and was only on sunroof equipped Pats(I believe) so don't get a sunroof.

But for $15k, I am guessing you are looking at FWD only or used? This would be a disadvantage compared to the Subie, which is AWD. If you are looking at used, you can get a Patriot for cheaper, but try for a lower mileage 2009, 2010 so you can get the full advantage of the remaining warranty.

As for warranties, Subaru only offers 3/36k with the vehicle. Extended warranties are available, but Im sure they are $$$ like all extended warranties.
We're looking strictly used and @ $15k we're looking at only the years I mentioned in the first post.
AWD/4x4 is a must.
Warranty is not an issue as we'll be purchasing an aftermarket 3/36 warranty through AAA.
And just last eve an old friend contacted me through Facebook and mentioned that they might be selling their '07 Patriot 4x4 FDI w/ ~ 40k miles on it.
Price seems good, options seem good (no sunroof) and he's sending me pics later today.

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sube is not a 4x4
just awd,
during one of our snow storms,
i watched a sube spin 2 tires, 4x4 would spin all 4,
i watched in amusement for about 15-20 minutes as i wiped 6" of snow off the pat, enjoyed my cup of coffee, and drove out of a spot that had twice as much snow as the sube,
i pulled out without even a hiccup,
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sube is not a 4x4
just awd,
during one of our snow storms,
i watched a sube spin 2 tires, 4x4 would spin all 4,
i watched in amusement for about 15-20 minutes as i wiped 6" of snow off the pat, enjoyed my cup of coffee, and drove out of a spot that had twice as much snow as the sube,
i pulled out without even a hiccup,
You may have missed when I wrote that 3 of our neighbors have Subarus.
All of them have no problem getting out of our snowed-in cul de sac which is nothing but uphill when you leave any of our driveways.

The FDI system in the Patriot (the ones I'm looking at) is FWD until the front loses traction, then it's RWD, hence the term "active AWD". FDI also has the advantage of 4 wheel lock mode or real 4x4 @ low speeds only, per the video:
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/how_syste...freedom_drive/

Subaru Symmetrical AWD is not a "spin 2 tires" system. I'm not doubting what you experienced (could have been more ice than anything), but I am saying that my experience has been much different and jives with what is actually engineered into the vehicles:
http://www.subaru.com/engineering/al...different.html
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I just purchased a '11 Patriot 10 days ago. I too had narrowed down the choice to a Forrester or the Patriot. I scheduled a side-by-side test drive of the two vehicles. Fortunately (?) we had 3 major snow storms that dumped 60"+ in a 15 day period. I got to test both vehicles side-by-side on snow covered roads, parking lots and an open field. It was the Patriot hands down. There were areas where I struggled to maintain traction with the Forrester. The Patriot didn't so much as bat an eye in the same conditions. Both salesmen had to change their trousers after the test drive though
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I just purchased a '11 Patriot 10 days ago. I too had narrowed down the choice to a Forrester or the Patriot. I scheduled a side-by-side test drive of the two vehicles. Fortunately (?) we had 3 major snow storms that dumped 60"+ in a 15 day period. I got to test both vehicles side-by-side on snow covered roads, parking lots and an open field. It was the Patriot hands down. There were areas where I struggled to maintain traction with the Forrester. The Patriot didn't so much as bat an eye in the same conditions. Both salesmen had to change their trousers after the test drive though
This is good to know, thanks, although as I think someone said earlier, the all-season tires standard on a Forester are at a disadvantage to the Goodyear SR-A tires on the Jeep.
Tirerack.com reviews confirm this as the Subies OEM tires are rated lower than the Jeeps.
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