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Old 06-14-2010, 04:38 AM
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I have been searching for TIPM electric circuitry diagram for a while but so far with no luck. I need one for 2007 and 2008 Pat. I shipped my 2008 Pat to Europe and in order to get it registered there I have to rewire tail lamps. It is illegal to have turn signal, emergency, stop and tail light in one red section! I have to split it, top red=tail+stop, turn signal+emergency below in clear section with amber bulb, as it was on 2007 model. Any thoughts where to find it or how to do it? Thanks!
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there is no way you will get the diagram for the TIPM, it will be easier to replace the tail assembleis, or rig jig the existing, i really wish you luck on this one
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IMO your best bet would be to buy a trailer wiring harness, new bulbs and sockets and wire it up that way. In the long run I think that would cause less issues than trying to change the stock wiring.
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I have looked into trying to convert, but I still am not sure where exactly the change happens... the diagrams are almost identical.

The problem is that the 2007s/export models have 2 wires run to the back. The 2008s have 1 signal wire from front to back so you will have to add wiring.

I have yet to really figure out a way to get it to work.
The issue is to try and remove the turn function from the brake.

festerw, since there is only one signal wire adding a trailer harness won't help. It will still have a combined turn/stop.
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I have looked into trying to convert, but I still am not sure where exactly the change happens... the diagrams are almost identical.

The problem is that the 2007s/export models have 2 wires run to the back. The 2008s have 1 signal wire from front to back so you will have to add wiring.

I have yet to really figure out a way to get it to work.
The issue is to try and remove the turn function from the brake.

festerw, since there is only one signal wire adding a trailer harness won't help. It will still have a combined turn/stop.
The only thing I can think of would be to leave the turn/stop as is, and then run a relay from the 3rd brake light signal to activate 2 new stoplight circuits.

The only thing I'm not sure of is what voltage goes to the 3rd brake light, since they are LEDs.
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The only thing I can think of would be to leave the turn/stop as is, and then run a relay from the 3rd brake light signal to activate 2 new stoplight circuits.

The only thing I'm not sure of is what voltage goes to the 3rd brake light, since they are LEDs.
The current light does running (headlights on), stop, turn.
It would need to remain as the running/stop. The turn would be new.

The 3rd brake light is 12 V like the rest.
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How much detail are you looking for? I came across these schematics when investigating the Trailer Tow wiring. But I guess most people have access to these.
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Thanks for all your ideas. Yes the problem is where to tap in to get turn+emergency light signal from! I am one wire short. What about replacing my 2008 TIPM for 2007 model, which got turn+emergency light on different bulb? I know it is some $350 extra, but I am willing to pay it, because my Pat was half price compared to Euro prices! I just have no idea if it's gonna work.
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Find the wire that comes from the brake pedal and goes to the turn signal --- Disconnect it then bring that wire to the back of the vehicle for the brake lights --- You will have to add brake lights as in you can't use the same element in the same bulb because you separated the function---The turn signal should continue to function where as they operate with out the brake light --- Eg. they flash without pressure to the brake peddle
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