225/75/16 Wrangler Territory Tires on Stock 16" Rims Now with 100% more pics!

Tyler-98-W68 · Apr 26, 2009

So after being torn on what tire to get, the final straw came when crappy tire had their buy 1 get 1 for 1/2 price deal.

I decided to go with the Goodyear Wrangler Territory in LT225/75/16

Here's the specs of my jeep:

Stock height FDII using the patriot 16" steel wheels.

As you can see in the pictures no problems clearance wise on the spring perch as well as that little piece of plastic in the wheel well.

They do rub at full lock although since they clear the above mentioned obstacles I don't know where it is rubbing, not a big deal at all and it doesn't bother me either.

In terms of ride and handling, they are loud, not like a humming loud but its more of a whoosh type sound, similar to a set of winter tires I had on a previous vehicle. The noise isn't that bad altough for a daily driver some people might find it a bit much. They are heavier than the stock setup although I havn't noticed any adverse effects. Speedo is off I presume but not a big deal either.

As for performance offroad, they have been on for about 2 hours, and as you can see my Pat is rather clean at the moment, later tonight or tomorrow i'll go hunting for some mud to see how they perform.

So in my opinion, 225/75/16 fit on an unlifted FDII and most likely FDI rather nicely.

Anyone got a set of center caps they want to sell? Or can I just use a set off a libery ect...

patmc81 · Apr 27, 2009

nice tires but whats under the covers

Hitzy · Apr 27, 2009

What's the treadwear rating on those?

Tyler-98-W68 · Apr 27, 2009

I"ll have to run out and check the treadwear rating on them.

As for whats under the covers:

1998 Firebird "SILVR 6:

1986 Trans Am

Rb4022 · Apr 27, 2009

Pm me if the 98 is for sale!

heckler · Apr 27, 2009

I saw that ad too! Probably would have gone the same way, had I not gone to Portland for tires.

at 29.3", they probably need the plastic bump melted out of the way a little, but I think you'll be OK not needing to do anything with the metal under it.

Nice!

Tyler-98-W68 · Apr 27, 2009

Alright so I must be blind as a bat but I couldn't find the treadwear rating or the traction rating ect that is usually on the sidewall of tires, I hope I can get around 50K out of them, which will take forever because they won't be on year round.

As for the plastic part in the fender I'm probably going to have to cut it away, no big deal.

I can only imagine that I'll be going out and getting really stuck this week to test the tires out

epper:

cstreetpatriot · Apr 27, 2009

tires look nice and aggressive

Tyler-98-W68 · Apr 27, 2009

After doing a bit of looking online (there isn't a ton of info) I guess they are specific to CT and no where else, they sort of remind me of MTR's except with some siping, as well they are close to the Wrangler Duratrac

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac

Tony1911 · Apr 27, 2009

That's a pretty aggressive tread pattern for an all-terrain tire. Looks almost like a mud-terrain tire to me.

Do let us know how they perform.

Tyler-98-W68 · May 9, 2009

epper:

epper: updated the original post

epper:

heckler · May 9, 2009

Very nice! How's the distance to the rear strut tower?

My bet is they rub here at full lock.

Tyler-98-W68 · May 9, 2009

I think your right heckler, darn i'll run out and check what it looks like from the rear never thought to check that,

navy48 · May 9, 2009

NICE TIRES!

That's the size I went with on my Compass, using the 16" steels from a Patriot with BFG M/T's. It rode SOOOOO much better AND was great in the snow. I had NO rubbing issue on the Compass but the Patriot is slightly different in the shape of the wheel openings so I can't speak for it. If you do have some, it should be minimal and can be easily 'fixed'.

I wasn't aware of the Wrangler "Territory"s or I may have gone that route if for no other reason, the PRICE!

As for center caps, I would go with the ones from a 16" steel KJ wheel OR even off of a 15" steel TJ wheel. Not sure on the KJ caps, but I know the TJ's will fit with slight mods and the drilling of 3 holes in your wheels. They both would look SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER than the stock Patriot caps.

Again, NICE CHOICE on your tires!!! :smiley_thumbs_up:

Tyler-98-W68 · May 10, 2009

I've been rather busy today but my Pat didn't stay clean for very long. I found a small area with a bit of mud, although nothing too crazy so I'm sure I didn't test out the true ability of the tires, but i'm very impressed.

They clean out the mud very well and don't seem to get too caked up, they actually throw it pretty good, from the small amount of time I had to play.

I did get some video's, they are still uploading, and they aren't anything special, but here's the first dirty pic of the Pat with its new shoes.

DJ XS · May 10, 2009

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Your tires look great. Now here is a guy (me) who does not know much about tires, but if I may ask a question... would those tires fit on my rims? I have the trail rated version too, but they are the bigger stock jeep patriot rims. I think they are 17

heckler · May 10, 2009

no. 16" tires won't fit on 17" rims. Do a search here for /17 and -17. That'll find you the tires that fit -17" rims.

jessi · May 10, 2009

will these tires work for a unlifted 4x2 with 16 inch rims?

Tyler-98-W68 · May 10, 2009

I can't see why they wouldn't work, the lift from the FDII (1/2" spring wise) isn't making any extra room in the wheel well as far as tires this size are concerned.

The only rubbing is a tiny bit before full lock, but other than that not too bad, one warning though is that they are a bit on the loud side.

Tyler-98-W68 · May 12, 2009

So now i've got a question for the tire guru's out there, I asked my neighbor (guy who installed the tires for me) what pressure he's using in the tires and he said he put 60 PSI in. Now the tires are rated for 80 PSI max, i'm just wondering if I should be running the 35 stated on the door, or does that all change because i'm using a 10 ply (load range E tire) Obviously for serious off-roading i'll be reducing the pressure, I just want to know what to run on the street.

heckler · May 12, 2009

good question. I wonder if tirerack or a manufacturer's site might have that info.

my Grabber AT's are rated 44 psi max, and my tire installer put in 36 psi.

60 seems high to me. overinflating can cause the treads to be rounded, contacting more in the middle and wearing out the centre of the treads.

heckler · May 12, 2009

http://www.betiresmart.ca/inflation/proper.asp?loc1=inflation&loc2=proper

The pressure listed on the tire sidewall is the maximum tire pressure - or the tire pressure that is required to carry the maximum load of the tire. It is not the manufacturer's recommended tire pressure, which is a common misperception.

Over-inflation can be a problem too. An over-inflated tire rides on just the centre portion of the tread. The smaller contact area means reduced grip on the road, leading to a harsh ride, handling issues (such as steering and stopping problems) and increased wear on tires and suspension components. Seventeen per cent (17%) of vehicles in Canada have at least one tire that is over-inflated by 20%

petbug · May 12, 2009

Correct tire pressure?

I have read somewhere great instructions on how to find a correct pressure when using much higher load rated tires then your OEM tires:

Make a line across the thread on your tires and drive straight and slight curves slowly for a while. Check if the line is rubbing of faster on the outside or in the center of the thread. Outside means under inflated, center means over inflated. Start with your car recommended pressure and chances are you will need to add more PSI to compensate for the higher load rated tire to get them to run on the whole thread evenly. You can continue to add pressure (not over tire maximum) until you clearly see the line wearing faster in the center (over inflated for your vehicle weight). Correct pressure for your vehicle should be somewhere in the middle of both extreme results.

I have not tested this procedure myself (I will do it with my new Firestone Destination 235/65/17 soon), but at least the theory is sound and it may actually work! I would love to see some reply posts from other Pat owners who are running various upsized load overrated tires.

WarER4X · May 13, 2009

petbug said:
I have read somewhere great instructions on how to find a correct pressure when using much higher load rated tires then your OEM tires:

Make a line across the thread on your tires and drive straight and slight curves slowly for a while. Check if the line is rubbing of faster on the outside or in the center of the thread. Outside means under inflated, center means over inflated. Start with your car recommended pressure and chances are you will need to add more PSI to compensate for the higher load rated tire to get them to run on the whole thread evenly. You can continue to add pressure (not over tire maximum) until you clearly see the line wearing faster in the center (over inflated for your vehicle weight). Correct pressure for your vehicle should be somewhere in the middle of both extreme results.

I have not tested this procedure myself (I will do it with my new Firestone Destination 235/65/17 soon), but at least the theory is sound and it may actually work! I would love to see some reply posts from other Pat owners who are running various upsized load overrated tires.

Perhaps there is a way to do this mathematically...

You could look up the max weight ratings (in lbs) of both your stock and new (larger) tires on their respective manufacturer websites. This is the loading that would correspond to the max pressure printed on the side of the tire.

Step 1: Starting with the stock tire specs, divide the door sticker pressure (vehicle recommended pressure) by the max allowable tire pressure (from the side wall of the tire). Now, multiply that ratio by the max weight rating for that tire. This will give you a calculated "effective" weight that correlates to the tire pressure recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.

Step 2: Using the calculated "effective" tire loading from Step 1, divide this calculated value by the max weight rating of the new tire. This will tell you what percentage of the new tire's loading capability you will actually be using. Finally, multiply this value by the max pressure for the new tire (from teh tire sidewall). This should tell you what pressure you need to run the new tires at to carry the same loading that the original tires carried.

I just made this up on the fly, so I have no idea how well it works, but it just seems logical that it would work if you assume that the load carrying ability of the tire alone (without air in it) is negligible. Of course, we all know that such a tire without air in it would be as flat as a pancake, so I think it is a reasonable assumption.

-SR-

Tony1911 · May 12, 2009

Yeah, the chalk test. Unfortunately, as I've understood it, this should be done with new tires only.

Kahbrohn · May 12, 2009

I found this site the other day searching for MPG advice on vehicles. Haven't checked it out so am not sure if it will help or not. Just throwing it out there...

http://www.milesgallon.com/tire_pre....com/tire_pressure_calculator.php?maxpressure=&unit=&percentbelow=10#calculator

monahan93 · May 12, 2009

Do you have a lift on your PAT?

heckler · May 12, 2009

Tyler-98-W68 said:
So in my opinion, 225/75/16 fit on an unlifted FDII and most likely FDI rather nicely.

ect...

I swear nobody reads when there's pretty pictures.

225/75/16 Wrangler Territory Tires on Stock 16" Rims Now with 100% more pics!

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