New Six-speed 4x4 mpg

[Alyxander]

On the new 2014 Patriot page on Jeep.com, you can scroll down and click the 2.4 L engine option it will display the estimated 4x2 mpg numbers of the 2.4 with the new six-speed (which is estimated at 21/27)

I'm wondering if any of you have heard the numbers for the 4x4 version. If I had to guess I'd think that if it wasn't the same as previous years it'd be 1 mpg less.

EDIT: I mean 1 mpg less from the current 4x4 which is 21/26

[NHPATRIOT]

4X2 2.4L w/ CVT = 23/28 so 21/27 is a significant drop going to the 6 speed. I would say the 4WD will take more of a hit than 1 MPG.

[Alyxander]

Originally Posted by NHPATRIOT

4X2 2.4L w/ CVT = 23/28 so 21/27 is a significant drop going to the 6 speed. I would say the 4WD will take more of a hit than 1 MPG.

Actually that 23/28 number is the 4x2 2.4 L with the five speed manual.

The current CVT trans is 21/27, which according to Chrysler is the same number (estimated) as the 2014 with the six speed.

To clarify, I'm wondering if the six speed 4x4 with the 2.4 L is going to be the same as the CVT 4x4's numbers (21/26). My guess is it will be close, either the same or 1 mpg less (like 20/25).

[Ignatz]

Originally Posted by Alyxander

On the new 2014 Patriot page on Jeep.com, you can scroll down and click the 2.4 L engine option it will display the estimated 4x2 mpg numbers of the 2.4 with the new six-speed (which is estimated at 21/27)

I'm wondering if any of you have heard the numbers for the 4x4 version. If I had to guess I'd think that if it wasn't the same as previous years it'd be 1 mpg less.

Your guess is probably right. IMHO I don't think its hard to beat Chrysler's mpg estimates. I'm driving a 4x2 with the CVT. It has rarely dipped below 27 in any kind of driving. Worst I ever got was 26.5 with the boat on the roof (see avatar) and a pretty full load inside; mostly state highways at 40-55mph. I usually run 27-28 in mixed driving / 31 hwy.

If Chrysler is consistent, I think their projected numbers are attainable with 4x4 and a 6-speed auto. I imagine all those speeds are to improve fuel economy, so the numbers should be at least a little better than present.

[BondiBlue]

Originally Posted by Ignatz

I imagine all those speeds are to improve fuel economy, so the numbers should be at least a little better than present.

In theory, the CVT has infinitely more speeds than a standard 6 speed. One would think if fuel economy was a major factor it would be easier to attain better with a properly programmed CVT than a standard gearbox.

[Ignatz]

Originally Posted by BondiBlue

In theory, the CVT has infinitely more speeds than a standard 6 speed. One would think if fuel economy was a major factor it would be easier to attain better with a properly programmed CVT than a standard gearbox.

That would explain Alyxander's post. So why the switch from CVT?
It wasn't for acceleration, I can tell you. I recently had a Chrysler 200 with the 2.4 and a conventional automatic -- my Patriot accelerates wa-a-ay faster.

Admittedly my CVT failed, but I still think it is pretty nifty. I might feel differently if it wasn't covered under warranty. I've also had conventional automatics fail.

Nissan uses the same trannies. Have they had the same hue & cry to eliminate the CVT in their vehicles? Or are the CVT whiners just against anything new? Maybe they're the people who complain about city water and hospital food.

[Coppertrailer]

Originally Posted by Ignatz

That would explain Alyxander's post. So why the switch from CVT?
It wasn't for acceleration, I can tell you. I recently had a Chrysler 200 with the 2.4 and a conventional automatic -- my Patriot accelerates wa-a-ay faster.

Admittedly my CVT failed, but I still think it is pretty nifty. I might feel differently if it wasn't covered under warranty. I've also had conventional automatics fail.

Nissan uses the same trannies. Have they had the same hue & cry to eliminate the CVT in their vehicles? Or are the CVT whiners just against anything new? Maybe they're the people who complain about city water and hospital food.

I owned a Nissan and the Versa SL had a cvt while the S had a 4 speed. Nissan had no towing with the cvt but 4 speed auto was okay for 1000 lb. load. A lot of cvt owners liked the smoothness. RPM ratios between the trannies were 200 rpm difference going to the cvt. Not much tranny problems with both. Engine problems though. I think Jeep changed the fd1 tranny because it might be the setup for China.

[miketmx]

I had a 92 Dodge Caravan with the infamous 604 4 speed electronic transmission. What a piece of junk; after the first total rebuild we got rid of it before the tranny crashed again. We needed a minivan with 2 kids and 2 big dogs so we got a 97 Caravan with the old reliable 3 speed mechanical not electronic auto tranny. That combination was much more reliable and we got 27 mpg on the highway instead of 24 mpg with the other. I hope the new 6 speed auto tranny is way better than our experience with that electronic one we had in the Caravan. Did I mention that I am happy with the 5 speed MT in our Patriot.

[Rosco]

Originally Posted by Alyxander

On the new 2014 Patriot page on Jeep.com, you can scroll down and click the 2.4 L engine option it will display the estimated 4x2 mpg numbers of the 2.4 with the new six-speed (which is estimated at 21/27)

I'm wondering if any of you have heard the numbers for the 4x4 version. If I had to guess I'd think that if it wasn't the same as previous years it'd be 1 mpg less.

EDIT: I mean 1 mpg less from the current 4x4 which is 21/26

My 07 2.4L CVT model said 24/27 on the window sticker, and after 5.5 years of ownership it is averaging around 25 mpg overall.

[MrMischief]

Am I the only one who caught that the 2014 FDII Patriot will still have the CVT? The 6 speed auto is only going in FWD and FDI Patriots.

[dixiedawg]

The CVT has been ok, one advantage is now hard downshifts going up hill on snow and ice, which can make your tires break loose.

The FDII is lower geared, so less MPG, and I think would benefit from an overdrive on the highway, but not sure a 6 speed auto would offer any advantage.

Of course I have the lifetime warranty, so feel better about the CVT, without the warranty I'm not sure.

[MrMischief]

Originally Posted by Ignatz

I recently had a Chrysler 200 with the 2.4 and a conventional automatic -- my Patriot accelerates wa-a-ay faster.

Which transmission did the 200 have? In the 200 there is a 4 speed and 6 speed auto available. The 6 speed is a much better transmission.

Here is an Avenger with the 2.4L and 6 speed auto.



Patriot 5 speed



Patriot CVT



Pentastar with 6 speed

[PatriotMB]

The new transmission is built by Hyundai right? If so, their transmissions are pretty well built. Most of my family owns hyundais and they are pretty impressive vehicles.. I plan on trying the new Patriot when it comes out.

[MrMischief]

Originally Posted by PatriotMB

The new transmission is built by Hyundai right? If so, their transmissions are pretty well built.

Yep the same transmission is used in Hyundai vehicles. I believe it's made by some Australian company, but designed in part by Hyundai.

Sure would be nice if we had a member that owns a Hyundai who could provide some insight......


WAIT A MINUTE!! someone go grab croat out of the Political forum and tell him his expertise are needed over here.

[PatriotMB]

Originally Posted by MrMischief

Sure would be nice if we had a member that owns a Hyundai who could provide some insight......


WAIT A MINUTE!! someone go grab croat out of the Political forum and tell him his expertise are needed over here.

Hahaha! I think hes contemplating buying a Patriot too!

My wife owns a 2012 Accent and I love driving that car. It has a 4cyl engine but it can sure haul ass.. The only problem is it's extremely easy to speed