I am looking to get an Automatic Limited Patriot.
I've seen some models with PRND(L)
and some with PRND(+ -)...'Auto-Shift' like a slap shifter.
I think it is a 5 speed Auto-Shifter that comes with the Automatic Tranny.
How can I ensure I wll be getting the Auto-Shift and not just the "Low" gear tranny.

I don't think that the patriot comes with tiptronic...
the compass does I think but not the patriot

Worth looking into...'cause the Dealership told me it came with the tip-tronic or Auto-Shift....but he didn't sound too sure...I'm still waiting for him to confirm....anybody know for sure?...What if I get the FD I Tranny...would it only have a LOW gear? I thought the LOW Gear was only for the FD II.

Worth looking into...'cause the Dealership told me it came with the tip-tronic or Auto-Shift....but he didn't sound too sure...I'm still waiting for him to confirm....anybody know for sure?...What if I get the FD I Tranny...would it only have a LOW gear? I thought the LOW Gear was only for the FD II.

No gears to shift with the CVT so no "tip-tronic or Auto-Shift".

Take a look at this thread- http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990

No gears to shift with the CVT so no "tip-tronic or Auto-Shift".

Take a look at this thread- http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990

thats not really true, many cvts come with a manual shift mode even though they dont have gears. For instance, you can get the Compass with the CVT autostick which has six preset ratios you can shift through even though it is a CVT. However, that option does not come on the Patriot. I have not seen anything that said it did. The dealerships probly told you it came on the Patriot because it came on the compass and they dont know anything about the Patriot yet. The Low gear comes on the FDI as well. it just isnt as low. I believe FDI has a 14:1 low gear ratio and FDII has 19:1.

Hey daguno...I'm afraid you're wrong...I have seen the Auto-Shift on a CVT automatic Compass LX...I'm afraid I have to agree with SuperDave when he says that the Dealer does not know!!...Where can I get a definitive answer?...this is really frustrating...thanks for ur help.

Definitive answer: The auto shift (paddles you are referring to) isn't available on the Patriot

"Hey daguno...I'm afraid you're wrong...I have seen the Auto-Shift on a CVT automatic Compass LX...I'm afraid I have to agree with SuperDave when he says that the Dealer does not know!!...Where can I get a definitive answer?...this is really frustrating...thanks for ur help."

True, it acts as though it has gears, but there are none. It just uses pre-programed positions on the pulley to act as though it has gears. I have done some digging and this is all that I can find right now. The Jatco JF011E CVT2A is how Auto/Stick is added to the Compass and Caliber I believe.

With all the changes from year to year I don't think many salespeople can keep up with everything that is going on in the multi-line dealerships. Trust your own hard found research!

This is from the Jatco Transmission site

Belt CVT for medium vehicles JF011E
* Light and compact design
* Wider gear ratio range for both acceleration performance and fuel consumption
* High efficiency and fuel economy at the top of its class
* Applicable up to 2.5-liter class
* Main vehicles equipped with this CVT:
NISSAN LAFESTA, SERENA,
BLUEBIRD SYLPHY
MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER, DELICA D:5
SUZUKI LANDY
DAIMLERCHRYSLER DODGE CALIBER,
JEEP COMPASS, JEEP PATRIOT

This is from the Vibrate Software web site.

DaimlerChrysler Continuously Variable Transaxles (CVT)
Trans Model
Lowest
Highest
Jatco JF011E CVT2 (standard Transaxle FD I)
2.349
0.394
Jatco JF011E CVT2A (Auto/Stick Transaxle FD I Limited Compass/Caliber)
2.349
0.394
Jatco JF011E CVT2L (Trail Rated "Crawl" Transaxle FD II)
2.349
0.394

Thanks for the effort and research Dag!!

I just got a 2008 patriot 4wd limited with the cvt2 and it has autostick with six speeds.

My patriot has the cvt and auto shift. When the gear shifter is in drive you can move it right or left to downshift or upshift. I have not used it yet. The FDI has P R N D and the -/+ for the auto stick function. Only the FDII has the P R N D L the low crawl mode.

The 2007's did not have auto-stick, and have the L gear

My patriot has the cvt and auto shift. When the gear shifter is in drive you can move it right or left to downshift or upshift. I have not used it yet. The FDI has P R N D and the -/+ for the auto stick function. Only the FDII has the P R N D L the low crawl mode.

There's the correct answer. Only on 08 models.

Auto-stick? Just what is the theory behind this? If I want to screw around shifting I would have purchased a manual transmission, Oh, wait, that is exactly what I did.

Is this just some kind of sales gimmick to make the CVT seem more sexy? More "Sporty"? Or does it actually have some kind of practical use?

No offense to anyone who likes this transmission intended, but this just seems screwball from the get go.

Auto-stick? Just what is the theory behind this? If I want to screw around shifting I would have purchased a manual transmission, Oh, wait, that is exactly what I did.

Is this just some kind of sales gimmick to make the CVT seem more sexy? More "Sporty"? Or does it actually have some kind of practical use?

No offense to anyone who likes this transmission intended, but this just seems screwball from the get go.

They aren't gimmicky - they've been around for quite a while. Properly used it can help minimize fuel usage, or maximize power, not unlike a manual transmission (though obviously not to that extent). Very handy for our one-legged friends.

Auto-stick? Just what is the theory behind this? If I want to screw around shifting I would have purchased a manual transmission, Oh, wait, that is exactly what I did.

Is this just some kind of sales gimmick to make the CVT seem more sexy? More "Sporty"? Or does it actually have some kind of practical use?

In my opinion, the Auto-Stick is not a gimmick and does have some actual uses. Under normal circumstances, one can manage without it, too, but I do like the fact that it is there. Some of the benefits that come to my mind are:


Manual override

Maybe it's just me, but while I like the convenience of an automatic transmission I dislike being at the mercy of the computer. (My last car did not have an off-button for the ESP. Got stuck in my own apartments buildings bloody parking lot once because the ESP and I disagreed on how to best navigate a thin sheet of ice on it. This being just one example of why manual override on computer controls is a good thing!) I want the option of overriding the computers decision should it make a poor one. With the Auto-Stick, I can do that.


Engine braking

This is actually what I use the Auto-Stick the most for - engine braking when driving on a downward slope. Saves brake pads and keeps my foot on / near the gas (not a huge deal but can be convenient on a snow-covered dirt road / track).


Faster acceleration

Mostly haven't used it for this even though this - along with the general principle that I should the be boss of the computer, not the other way around - was the reason I originally envisioned Auto-Stick to be the most useful. It does give you better performance since you can have the engine already in the proper RPM zone when you need it, but usually I don't bother with it. I keep my driving within the limits of reason and when I've had to pass someone, the engine has had plenty enough zip for it without touching the gear stick.

my patriot came with the cvt autoshift and i really like it because the cvt tends to rev very high when you dont really need all that revs, so with the autoshift i can just tap it to bring down the revs. i think its awesome. and with the autostick i can still change gears manually (like i prefer), while my fiancee leaves it in D to make it easier for her.

i use the autostick for getting on the highway because im so used to the feeling of gears changing that the cvt feels like im not moving. you can definately accelerate faster with the autostick.

I believe the autostick feature is standard on all 2008 CVT Patriots. i'm not sure it provides much benefit as this is a CVT not traditional automatic. Only thing useful might be engine braking, but brake pads are cheaper than transmissions.

I believe the autostick feature is standard on all 2008 CVT Patriots. i'm not sure it provides much benefit as this is a CVT not traditional automatic. Only thing useful might be engine braking, but brake pads are cheaper than transmissions.

It is not included on 2008 FDII Patriots.

They aren't gimmicky - they've been around for quite a while. Properly used it can help minimize fuel usage, or maximize power, not unlike a manual transmission (though obviously not to that extent). Very handy for our one-legged friends.

Some how I don't think designing for the market of people who have only one leg was the impetus behind offering this on the Compass and Patriot.

The use for more power is obvious.
Can you describe it's operation in fuel saving?

Some how I don't think designing for the market of people who have only one leg was the impetus behind offering this on the Compass and Patriot.

The use for more power is obvious.
Can you describe it's operation in fuel saving?

I have found that when drive between 40-50 mph you cant lower the engine rpms by outting it in auto stick and shifting it into 6th. the rpms go down to around 1100 from 1900. This in turn will save some fuel im sure.

I have found that when drive between 40-50 mph you cant lower the engine rpms by outting it in auto stick and shifting it into 6th. the rpms go down to around 1100 from 1900. This in turn will save some fuel im sure.

If you had a scangauge, you would discover you are more than correct on that. This motor seems to really like to have a heavy load on it. The scangauge has the ability to show the load on the engine as well as the MPG. Watching the relationship tells much. I will be running up a hill in 5th gear, I watch the load, and when I reach 99 I shift down to 4th. Often I discover that was the wrong decision, only seconds later I'm back in 5th.

How much Will the CVT autostick let you up shift beyond where it thinks you should be?

If you had a scangauge, you would discover you are more than correct on that. This motor seems to really like to have a heavy load on it. The scangauge has the ability to show the load on the engine as well as the MPG. Watching the relationship tells much. I will be running up a hill in 5th gear, I watch the load, and when I reach 99 I shift down to 4th. Often I discover that was the wrong decision, only seconds later I'm back in 5th.

How much Will the CVT autostick let you up shift beyond where it thinks you should be?

Im really not sure how far it will let you. ill have to test it later. I do know that it will down shift for you if you slow down with it in autostick mode and dont down shift. I have gone 35 mph and had it in 6th gear. it boggs when you hit the gas but the engine revs are down around 1000

I use mine all the time.
I drive 7.5 miles to work everyday.
The speed limit is 45, in the morning I can set the cruise on 50 and not hit the brakes unless I get caught by the 5 red lights I have to pass thru.
I hit 6 gear at 40mph and once I hit 50 I put the cruise on.
I average around 27 mpg on the way into work provided I get all green lights.
On the way home it is another story.....

Some how I don't think designing for the market of people who have only one leg was the impetus behind offering this on the Compass and Patriot.

The use for more power is obvious.
Can you describe it's operation in fuel saving?

lol, the one leg thing was more of a joke than anything else. ;)

There exists a thread from a month or so back where someone with a scanguage (or maybe it was with the EVIC) was documenting mileage with different auto-shift shift scenarios. I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: Here it is... MPG-o-logy with the CVT2 (http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2670)

I have the o8 Pat FDI CVT w/ auto stick. From what the dealer told me the primary use for the auto stick is to be able to create a low gear ratio if you get stuck in mud/snow so that the CVT doesn't "motor boat". Turning off the ESP by holding down the ESP button for 5 seconds was also recommended if stuck in snow/mud.