Hi, I'm lurking in your forum for a few weeks now and actually I have posted some questions regarding the Patriot.
I'm calling from Greece and I feel that Patriot fits my needs as an Off-road SUV.
And I mean the off-road thing, that's why I'm looking forward to seeing the trial rated version in Europe although the inputs I have until now are not encouraging.
You are doing a very nice job here with Patriot since in many Jeep forums the idea of patriot doesn't look Jeep at all.

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WELCOME DPILOT,from what I read you will be able to get the diesel engine on your Patriot in Europe.Diesel engine sounds very attractive to me.

WELCOME DPILOT,from what I read you will be able to get the diesel engine on your Patriot in Europe.Diesel engine sounds very attractive to me.

Yes, but
1.The diesel in question is not a good one at least for european standards.(considering that there are available diesels with 150 or 170 HP from 2lt and more torque and less noise!!)
2.The diesel version is only FDI and I like the FDII option with more off-road orientation

I see.Well the DOHC 2.4L 172 horses and the fuel economy it offers is just great selection.

another point I see reading the jeep forums is that Americans prefer the V6 engine instead of 4cyl. In Europe it's common to have 4 cyl with turbo or diesel engines.
Is that because you like raw power or because petrol prices are so low there.
(BTW I lived in the States - Monterey, CA- for 2 years )

another point I see reading the jeep forums is that Americans prefer the V6 engine instead of 4cyl. In Europe it's common to have 4 cyl with turbo or diesel engines.
Is that because you like raw power or because petrol prices are so low there.
(BTW I lived in the States - Monterey, CA- for 2 years )
Primary reason is because it is psychological... American's have a long cultural affinity for big powerful engines. The secondary reason is a need for raw power. There are some who legitimately need the additional horsepower. Gasoline (petrol) prices have little to do with American's choice in vehicles.

Obviously this is "generally speaking", your actual mileage may vary. (pun intended)

What we're seeing with the Patriot is something unique for today but is actually a throwback to the Jeeps of old. Back in the 50's, the Jeep Willys Wagon was advertised as being fuel efficient, spacious, and economical.

Today, we have the Patriot that is fuel efficient, spacious (surprisingly roomy for its size), and economical (most inexpensive Jeep model and rivals the price of econoboxes)

If the members of this forum are any indication of the Patriot owners at-large, there is a unique enthusiasm rooted in the humility represented by the Patriot. It's not the most expensive Jeep. It isn't the most powerful. It doesn't even look like it can handle "the ruff stuff". And yet we're proud to own one. We're thrilled to own one. (try figuring THAT out :D )

I think it's because it embodies the cross-generational history of Jeep and the things that make people think of Jeep they way that they do.

I think another reason for V6 or V8 preference in North America is as well different type of driving.Lots of commuters here in NA drive daily long runs on the higways and there isn't that much difference in fuel consumption between 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder on a highway trip.Once the vehicle reaches steady speed it doesn't suck too much gas regradless the engine size - [yes,there is difference between the Hummer and Honda Civic but no so much between Toyota Camry and a little Nissan] Plus the bigger engine runs smoother and quiter I think as well.Yes,fuel is considerable less here than in Europe I would say by almost 30 - 50 % depending on the country.

I think another reason for V6 or V8 preference in North America is as well different type of driving.Lots of commuters here in NA drive daily long runs on the higways and there isn't that much difference in fuel consumption between 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder on a highway trip.Once the vehicle reaches steady speed it doesn't suck too much gas regradless the engine size - [yes,there is difference between the Hummer and Honda Civic but no so much between Toyota Camry and a little Nissan] Plus the bigger engine runs smoother and quiter I think as well.Yes,fuel is considerable less here than in Europe I would say by almost 30 - 50 % depending on the country.


yes that's a good point.
But still you are not buying small cars for moving inside the town where V6 are definitely out of question. (at least from my experience in US back in 2000)

Isn't it just a kind of unspoken "American" thing to strive to satisfy the "bigger is better" urge? It's no secret that a large percentage of the rest of the world is disgusted by (and probably envious of) Americans' rampant and conspicuous comsumerism. In a country where even a $15 dollar an hour worker can have a 600 square foot home, drive an 18-foot long car and pay only $3.00 for a 2-pound hamburger, It's sometimes easy to think that God smiles most on The United States. This is why my kids (like many other American adults) always want the "new thing" even if that thing provides them with no real benefit; it's what leads moderate eaters to "super-size" their meals for only a few pennies more, even though they know they can't eat that much food.

I sell real estate in San Diego, one of the most ego-consumer driven markets in the country, and continuously try to help my buyesr remain realistic and consider what they NEED, instead of over doing it (and eventually hurting themselves) because they can.

I would think that a V-6 or even a small V-8 in most vehicles would be an easy sell, even if most buyers had no need for the extra power. Mayby Patriot owners are smarter - since there are certainly similar-sized but more powerful Jeeps available.......:)

Isn't it just a kind of unspoken "American" thing to strive to satisfy the "bigger is better" urge? It's no secret that a large percentage of the rest of the world is disgusted by (and probably envious of) Americans' rampant and conspicuous comsumerism. In a country where even a $15 dollar an hour worker can have a 600 square foot home, drive an 18-foot long car and pay only $3.00 for a 2-pound hamburger, It's sometimes easy to think that God smiles most on The United States. This is why my kids (like many other American adults) always want the "new thing" even if that thing provides them with no real benefit; it's what leads moderate eaters to "super-size" their meals for only a few pennies more, even though they know they can't eat that much food.

I sell real estate in San Diego, one of the most ego-consumer driven markets in the country, and continuously try to help my buyesr remain realistic and consider what they NEED, instead of over doing it (and eventually hurting themselves) because they can.

I would think that a V-6 or even a small V-8 in most vehicles would be an easy sell, even if most buyers had no need for the extra power. Mayby Patriot owners are smarter - since there are certainly similar-sized but more powerful Jeeps available.......:)

nice point you made here.
It's amazing that the first thing that came to my mind after a few weeks in Monterey was "wow everything here are so huge"
But for sure there is a reason behind all this consumerism.

As for the Patriot I think it's a descent SUV and if someone overlook the Jeep heritage (Wrangler - live axles..) and look to the point, then the car is a good choice.