: Speed Control
SluggyBiscuit 03-25-2007, 07:55 AM Mopar is offering a Speed Control accessory for the Patriot. Does anyone know if it can be installed in a 'D' package?
My dealer can't do it as a Factory option, but isn't sure yet if the Mopar after-market will work. The Mopar site doesn't specify either way.
cgraskamp 03-25-2007, 07:51 PM im not totally sure about this, but I think you can buy a speed control installation package from mopar and then if you didnt think you could install it yourself im sure that a local shop would be able to...
check out the buy parts from mopar section on jeep.com
ktek01 03-26-2007, 11:40 PM Mopar site shows it for the 2.4L engine only, I have not installed any yet so I dont have any more details.
AZCycle 04-10-2007, 02:48 PM I am curious about this as well, but am concerned about the "2.4" litre only designation. But $250 for cruise? That'd be nice. Eventually I want to add cruise and fog lamps...
What REALLY blows me away is the cost of a single roof-mounted bike rack. $200?? So it would cost me $400 to get two bike racks? wow.
SluggyBiscuit 04-12-2007, 10:06 PM I emailed one aftermarket dealer, who swears it's OEM equipment that will work in a Pat Sport 'D'. You need the 2.4L engine because the 2 liter doesn't have the harness.
SluggyBiscuit 04-21-2007, 03:53 PM Update: My dealer tried to install the official Mopar part today ("Control Package 82210878"). Guess what?
The package seemed to be fine...but the harness in the Patriot was wrong! They'll be calling DC on Monday.
SluggyBiscuit 06-12-2007, 11:54 AM UPDATE:
Now June 11. The dealer *still* hasn't been able to get the cruise control system to work, despite Chyrsler and Mopar swearing it's supposed to.
The dealer has started ducking my calls about this. All the buttons and harness is in my Pat, but no function....
CanToo 06-15-2007, 08:10 PM I just had cruise installed on my Sport FDII, CVT2L today. No hang-ups encountered, just a $237.50 labor charge (work done at a Jeep dealer). It took about 2 1/2 hours to do it, so the big labor charge.
SluggyBiscuit 06-21-2007, 05:51 PM YES!
Today the dealer got it to work on my vehicle. It's Control Package 82210878 from Mopar. Yup, three hour labor which is expensive, but not bad to get cruise without on a 'D'.
They ended up taking it all out and reinstalling, and it worked.
Jimmy TJ 07-07-2007, 03:59 PM Awesome, I plan on getting the add-on cruise for my Patriot soon. I'm really missing it on the highway.
TXPoloPolo 07-07-2007, 11:47 PM This is a perfect project for the Do It Youself (DIY) crowd!
Only a handful of tools are needed (10mm & 13mm sockets, T20 & T30 Torx bits along with wire cutters and electrical tape).
Here is a link to a 9 page PDF that I scanned when I ordered my cruise control kit ($235 + tax) This is the same price as MOPAR.COM
The Adobe Acrobat file is located at:
http://www.uvgroup.net/Speed_Control_Installation.pdf
The labor guide at the dealer said 1.5 hours to install. It could be less if your wiring harness already contains the three additional control wires (see page 2 illustration 3). I think that it is kind of funny that the guide is completely pictoral. I guess that reading skills are not a requirement for DCX technicians. :)
Please post your experiences with the kit. I should receive mine from the national distribution center next Wednesday. They had 36 in stock for immediate delivery.
-- Marco
(Dallas, TX)
Jimmy TJ 07-07-2007, 11:56 PM Does seem pretty easy. Your right though, those instructions are funny. It does make me wonder who they've got working in some of the dealerships :D
TXPoloPolo 07-26-2007, 02:50 PM Sorry for the delay in writing this follow-up note. The kit arrived the day AFTER my wife and daughter went on a road trip:( I caught up with them last Tuesday and connected the speed control kit for the return trip home.
The cruise control works great and holds the speed within 1 mile/hour on all but the steepest interstate hills! :)
Changes to manual and other comments:
The kit includes both a black bezel (for Medium Slate Gray interiors)and a tan colored bezel (for Light Pebble Beige interiors), so there is only the one part number. This new bezel goes on the back of the steering wheel. The only difference is a hole and mounting bracket to accommodate the new lever in the 4'clock position.
STEP 3: This was the most time consuming part of the installation. The illustrations show the use of a paper clip to eject three small plastic blocking pins. I was able to knock them loose, but they failed to emerge on their own for two of the pins. Inserting the new wire connector pushed the plastic pin out far enough to be able to grasp them with small needle nose pliers to extract them manually.
STEP 9: My Patriot Sport 4x2 only had 6 retaining push pins for the wheel well liner not 7. There were screws holding the forward portion to the front fender. It appears that the instructions were written for a 2 piece wheel well liner and mine was one piece. Regardless, it was not necessary to completely remove the plastic liner (or the front tire). With the 6 retainers removed I was able to see the passage to the engine compartment and follow the main wiring harness.
STEP 11: I choose to use several wraps of electrical tape to marry the three additional wires to the main harness instead of relying on two zip ties provided in the kit.
STEP 12: The pictoral diagram shows that the new wires should share the same grommet hole as the main bundle. Experience proved that the center of the grommet is VERY tight. So using an awl, I poked a small hole in the donut section ABOVE the center and slipped the coat hanger with three new wires through the new hole that I made. This was MUCH easier.
STEP 13: SUGGESTION -- Have someone with small hands to feel around for the new wires in the driver's inside kick panel. It was pretty frustrating trying to do it solo, until my daughter lent me a hand. You pretty much have to do it by touch, with one person moving the hanger and the other trying to grab it on the inside since there is no direct line of sight.
Step 17: You will be removing three existing wires in the six prong connector and replacing them with the three that you just pulled from the engine compartment. The instructions don't tell you what to do with them, so I individually taped them off and secured them with a zip tie in case I ever needed to remove the cruise control in the future.
The dealer guide allows 1.5 hours to install. Even with the extra time that I spent resolving the items mentioned above, a typical "Do It Yourselfer" (which I count myself among) should be able to install this accessory in under 2.5 hours.
-- Marco
P.S. I drove my family crazy for one full tank of gas, but I set the cruise at 67 in a 65 zone (I was being passed by everything on the interstate!) and was able to go 380miles before the low fuel light came on. Averaging 30.46MPG!
AZCycle 07-26-2007, 04:41 PM Thanks, Marco! This is great information. :D
TXPoloPolo 07-26-2007, 04:55 PM Don't toss that brochure with "file folder" mailer that DCX sends to newly registered Patriot owners. The back page has a $25 coupon towards genuine Mopar accessories totalling over $200. I mailed mine in on July 7 with the original dealer receipt and the check arrived on the 24th! I have never seen such a fast turn around time for ANY rebate. :smiley_thumbs_up:
sportjeeptj99 07-27-2007, 12:32 AM :p HAHAHA! I love how in #22 it warns you from hitting your head with the steering wheel! Thats great!!!!!
DJ XS 08-05-2007, 06:15 AM I just had cruise installed on my Sport FDII, CVT2L today. No hang-ups encountered, just a $237.50 labor charge (work done at a Jeep dealer). It took about 2 1/2 hours to do it, so the big labor charge.
Can you follow up on how your speed control is working and your Patriot details. Is it trail rated etc?
SluggyBiscuit 08-10-2007, 01:34 PM Well, mine has been working since the dealer finally figured out how to get it in spot-on perfect. Holds to within 1 or 2 mph on freeways, uphill, downhill, etc. It's great!
Next up...new aftermarket radio, I think. I'd like HD.
DJ XS 08-11-2007, 04:15 AM Well, mine has been working since the dealer finally figured out how to get it in spot-on perfect. Holds to within 1 or 2 mph on freeways, uphill, downhill, etc. It's great!
Next up...new aftermarket radio, I think. I'd like HD.
I thought they would flash the memory and get it all scoppa set and good to go after installing the speed control? Did they give you a reason for the trouble? Did they charge you extra for the tune-ups on the speed control? How much did they charge you?
TXPoloPolo 08-11-2007, 11:40 AM DJ XS,
I think that you are giving the term "speed control" some level of functionality that it doesn't have. It is simply another name for cruise control. It has nothing to do with off-roading, transmission type, or trail rating. It is a kit with three wires and a new lever in the steering wheel to engage and adjust the speed and requires NO reprogramming or flash of the ECU computer.
It is only designed for use on streets above 35 MPH, although I have been able to get it to COAST to slower speeds after setting it higher initially. It is NOT any type of throttle-lock for low gear crawling.
Sorry to disappoint:(
-Marco
DJ XS 08-11-2007, 06:28 PM DJ XS,
I think that you are giving the term "speed control" some level of functionality that it doesn't have. It is simply another name for [I]cruise control[
-Marco
I am well aware of what "speed control" is and what cruise control is. You see, TXPoloPolo, Jeep in all its wisdom decided to call what we know as "cruise control", Speed Control. Look it up in your manual. As far as the flash I was talking about, the previous poster, sluggy had said that his dealership was having trouble and finally got it to set within 1 to 2 mph.
SluggyBiscuit 08-15-2007, 04:32 PM They charged me just what they said they would. They never figured out why -- or, more accuratly, wouldn't tell me why -- they couldn't get it to work the first three times they tried.
They explanation at the end was they took it all out, reinstalled, and it worked. It's been perfect ever since!
I thought they would flash the memory and get it all scoppa set and good to go after installing the speed control? Did they give you a reason for the trouble? Did they charge you extra for the tune-ups on the speed control? How much did they charge you?
mitakuuluu 08-18-2007, 06:27 AM Anyone got this to work on a 2.0L?
SamsJeep 09-09-2007, 07:11 PM Awesome I may invest in the kit if I dont get rid of the patroit first.
Does anyone have the 3 part number s that come in the kit??
Scotty1980 03-13-2008, 03:05 PM Hi, im thinking about adding cruise control to my 07 patriot 4x4 sport, I was looking at the directions on how to install it on page 2 where it says some vehicles may be prewired, how can i tell if my pat. is? I guess i don't quite understad that part of the directions. if its all prewired i could probably do it my self. Thanks, Scott
CarinaP 05-24-2008, 07:02 PM I have read that some of y'all have installed your own speed control units. The dealer when we went in to inquire about having it installed said that we may need to program the computer because something about OBD3. My husband is a mechanic to a point but when it comes to the computers he doesnt want to mess anything up and blow out something. We would just like to know if we odered our kit, is it really easy as it seems to install without screwing with the computer diagnostics.
Thank you in advance for any help with this.
CarinaP 05-24-2008, 07:04 PM I have read that some of y'all have installed your own speed control units. The dealer when we went in to inquire about having it installed said that we may need to program the computer because something about OBD3. My husband is a mechanic to a point but when it comes to the computers he doesnt want to mess anything up and blow out something. We would just like to know if we odered our kit, is it really easy as it seems to install without screwing with the computer diagnostics. At $80+ an hour for instalation and they say 3 hours.
Thank you in advance for any help with this.
tomcrane 05-25-2008, 02:43 AM I have the install instructions (the MOPAR ones) and it does not mention anything about reflashing the ECU ... so i would venture to say the dealer was feeding you a line of BS
and to further add ... if you look at the instructions .. it says that in the beginning .. some cars might be prewired...
I took a look at my 08 4x4 sport with CVT and it appears that im already prewired as the 3 sockets that you are supposed to plug the wires in from the speed control kit .. they are occupied by wires already ...
I ordered the kit and should have it in a week or so .. when i do im skipping right to step 20 per the install instructions if the car is prewired .. we'll see if it works ... ill post back when i get it put in .. the install looks pretty straight forward .. nothing too crazy
if anyone cares to look at the install instructions
go here
http://www.justforjeeps.com/speedcontrol.html
click the link that says CLICK HERE FOR PRODUCT INSTALLATION GUIDE and it will load up the PDF file.
id be curious if some of you 07 guys could check your wiring to see if you have it prewired or if its something they changed in 08
im guessing if you arent prewired - the sockets (13 26 and 27) will be empty
Tuksonrider 05-29-2008, 07:43 PM I'm looking to DIY speed control from Mopar ($225 - $25 mib = $200). My dealer wants $300 even for the install labor, not including parts he wanted another $300 just for the MOPAR speed control, the same one off the site). Looking at the mopar instructions, it looks pretty straight forward.
My only concern would be in the driver side air bag. Was there any difficulty in dissamsembly of the steering column, removal of the steering wheel, and air bag?
CarinaP 05-29-2008, 11:05 PM Okay first of all the directions from mopar should have some text explaining how to rather then just pictures. My Jeep popped 3 codes and the cruise still does not work. Did anyone have any of these issues? And if so how did you get it to work?:doh:
2007 Jeep Patriot, NOT prewired.
Weatherman 05-29-2008, 11:22 PM Step 36 in the Jeep instructions is the greatest thing ive ever seen:)
tomcrane 05-30-2008, 01:03 AM well I guess that answers my question about the 07 vs 08 ... my 08 appears to be pre-wired
as for your problems.. id double check the wires you installed into the harness inside the engine bay .. they might not be installed fully or properly
and as for step 36 ... thats the picture of the jeep whipping around the corner right ? LOL ive looked at the install sheet too many times hahah
CarinaP 05-31-2008, 08:20 PM Well I found out what my husbands friend did, he turned the clock spring assembly on the stearing column....DO NOT SPIN IT!!! Had to order a whole assembly wich put us back another $120.00 (from Mopar, dealer wanted $235.) They did not inform me that they did this. This is what caused the codes and why the cruise does not work. Then asked to to post the question when they already knew the answer. Will post when everything is working hopefully. If this doesnt work, I'm going to the dealer....not my husband and his genius buddy!!
tomcrane 05-31-2008, 11:23 PM hrmm thats odd .. when i had my steering wheel off .. that little thing moved some on my steering wheel and i didnt get any codes ... they must have turned the crap out of it LOL ..
what codes were you getting .. were they dash lights ?
CarinaP 06-01-2008, 09:33 PM Ya, guess he spinned it like a top. My airbag light, esp, tracktion. He spinned it hard enough to make it rip off. Then attempted to soder it back on. Like I said Genius. Part should be in Monday or Tuesday. Its drivable but I dont go to far until everything is back together right. Then Im not letting anyone else who says " Ya no problem I can do it" touch my car unless they are a licenced machanic.
CarinaP 06-10-2008, 10:15 PM Lesson Learned
Well now that I have the new clock spring in everything is good. My cruise works and all my codes are gone. When he was putting it back in he showed how he turned it. About half way. ANYONE installing the cruies....DO NOT spin the assembly in the stearing wheel. It will cost about $150.00 to replace.
stingerbtry 06-11-2008, 03:53 AM Wow that sucks to hear but at least you got it fixed and have cruise now. I personally thought the install was one of the easiest things I've ever done on a car and mine wasn't even pre-wired. The only thing that sucked for me is, like the picture, I blasted myself in the forehead with the steering wheel when I took it off and felt like a total moron. I installed the cruise control and the factory fog lights in about 2 hours total that night bump on the head and all:p
scottsmith 07-20-2008, 08:17 PM Finally ordered the mopar speed control for my 07 trail rated Patriot. When I started into the install, I checked into the wiring harness in the engine compartment and, lo and behold, there were already wires in the three slots that we were supposed to add the speed control cable into- so I went on the assumption that my Patriot had been pre-wired... that cut out a LOT of steps. The install into the steering column went easy, except that the new wiring harness for the speed control lever had a couple of extra small connectors that had no where to plug into (!)....the actual speed control lever only had one connector slot, whereas the instructions showed two.
Long story short, at this point I was sure that the speed control just wouldn't work because of this discrepancy and that I'd have to do some diagnosing, or go to the dealer....but surprise- It functioned just fine when I took it out for its test drive. Very pleased with the end result.
stingerbtry 07-21-2008, 02:05 AM Finally ordered the mopar speed control for my 07 trail rated Patriot. When I started into the install, I checked into the wiring harness in the engine compartment and, lo and behold, there were already wires in the three slots that we were supposed to add the speed control cable into- so I went on the assumption that my Patriot had been pre-wired... that cut out a LOT of steps. The install into the steering column went easy, except that the new wiring harness for the speed control lever had a couple of extra small connectors that had no where to plug into (!)....the actual speed control lever only had one connector slot, whereas the instructions showed two.
Long story short, at this point I was sure that the speed control just wouldn't work because of this discrepancy and that I'd have to do some diagnosing, or go to the dealer....but surprise- It functioned just fine when I took it out for its test drive. Very pleased with the end result.
The extra plugs are for the steering wheel radio controls which I'm guessing you don't have as I didn't so they are unused.
scottsmith 07-21-2008, 06:24 PM The extra plugs are for the steering wheel radio controls which I'm guessing you don't have as I didn't so they are unused.
OK, NOW it makes sense! Thanks!
Jussterr 08-05-2008, 12:38 PM I am curious about this as well, but am concerned about the "2.4" litre only designation. But $250 for cruise? That'd be nice. Eventually I want to add cruise and fog lamps...
What REALLY blows me away is the cost of a single roof-mounted bike rack. $200?? So it would cost me $400 to get two bike racks? wow.
This has nothing to do with anything. I just wanted to tell you that I LOVE your Mustang.
Tuksonrider 09-28-2008, 03:16 PM Well, I installed my Speed Control in my '08 Patriot Sport 2x4 5spd 2.4L.
For me, it seemed like an uphill battle all the way.
Good news, it works. It'll hold the speed just fine, and I can also adjust it to accelerate or decelerate.
Bad News, I now get the check engine MIL. It's not flashing. There seems to be no adverse affects, and it drives fine. I have no idea what it is. I'll have to take it into the dealership and have it hooked up to a diagnostics computer.
The most confusing part was seeing that my jeep wasn;t pre-wired, but then seeing it pre-wired underneath the steering column. That REALLY threw me for a loop. Luckily, this thread had a post about those three wires. I removed it (with great amount of difficulty), and put the new ones in it's place.
I'm totally sad about the Engine check light. It's not flashing at least, but it got me down.
stingerbtry 10-01-2008, 04:58 PM Well, I installed my Speed Control in my '08 Patriot Sport 2x4 5spd 2.4L.
For me, it seemed like an uphill battle all the way.
Good news, it works. It'll hold the speed just fine, and I can also adjust it to accelerate or decelerate.
Bad News, I now get the check engine MIL. It's not flashing. There seems to be no adverse affects, and it drives fine. I have no idea what it is. I'll have to take it into the dealership and have it hooked up to a diagnostics computer.
The most confusing part was seeing that my jeep wasn;t pre-wired, but then seeing it pre-wired underneath the steering column. That REALLY threw me for a loop. Luckily, this thread had a post about those three wires. I removed it (with great amount of difficulty), and put the new ones in it's place.
I'm totally sad about the Engine check light. It's not flashing at least, but it got me down.
Hmm, that's odd. Are you sure you didn't mess something up in the wiring harness under the hood where you added the 2 pins for the speed control? Either that or inside the steering wheel? Either way a code scan should let you know what it is and hopefully it's something easilly fixed/replaced.
Tuksonrider 10-01-2008, 07:43 PM Yeah, I even double checked the wiring.
Hopefully it's not too serious. Everything is working fine.
I won;t be able to take in the Jeep until this Saturday. Hopefully it's something easy.
Tuksonrider 10-03-2008, 01:27 PM Here's something interesting, the light just turned off. I didn;t do anything. I thought maybe it was a short then, so I doubled (tripled really now) the wires, and it's all good. No engine MIL, everythings running fine.
stingerbtry 10-03-2008, 09:35 PM Here's something interesting, the light just turned off. I didn;t do anything. I thought maybe it was a short then, so I doubled (tripled really now) the wires, and it's all good. No engine MIL, everythings running fine.
I'm pretty sure that, as with most cars, the light will go off after a certain number of ignition cycles. It will come back on if the problem persists.
kdxlive 10-06-2008, 06:35 PM has anyone had ther speed control installed by a dealer, if so how much did they charge. im debating on doing it myself but i don know
thank in advance
KDXLIVE
lmaccaro 02-16-2009, 01:35 PM kdxlive; do you have the harness (wire) in your jeep already, or will you have to run the wire?
It is very very simple to do it if you have your jeep pre-wired from the factory. Some are, some aren't.
stingerbtry 02-17-2009, 06:27 PM kdxlive; do you have the harness (wire) in your jeep already, or will you have to run the wire?
It is very very simple to do it if you have your jeep pre-wired from the factory. Some are, some aren't.
It's easy either way. Mine wasn't pre-wired and it was a still very simple install. Worst part is trying not to blast yourself in the head with the steering wheel......like I did.
ilovetvalot 05-01-2009, 12:53 PM I Will order the speed control option from Mopar then will make it installed by chrysler dealership. I just can't take it anymore... the gaz pedal ar so hard after a couple of hours driving... I will update my post when everything will be done.
Question: How do I know if my Pat is wired? And will this affect the labor at the dealership?
Thanks!
Cumulo 08-21-2009, 02:00 PM Hey guys, can somebody tell me where the Speed Control Circuits are located? I'm just trying to determine if I can skip to Step 20 or not. Pretty silly question I guess but I'm having trouble finding them. Unless it's below the fuses in the engine compartment...? Thanks.
Darth Octane 08-24-2009, 08:52 PM If you are standing in front of the jeep with the hood open. Look at the battery and then look a little further past it. You will see the big black panel of fuses. Now look to the left of that and you will see the two big plugs with the grey release levers on them. They are bigger than the pictures on the install sheet make them out to be. You want the one closest to the front of the truck. Then check pins 13, 26 and 27 for wires. If they have wires in them you are good to go. If not then you need to add the harness.
I just did this project yesterday and I was not prewired. It is not hard. I just took my time and it all went right together. I did my hitch, trailer wiring, and cruise control all in about 6 hours. That includes several smoke breaks and breaks to talk to neighbors wondering why I was working on my brand new truck. Also had to stop every 20 min when my wife would ask how it was going? If I was focused on really getting it done I could have done it all in about 2-3 hrs.
Any other questions let me know and I will do my best to help you.
Cumulo 08-31-2009, 11:59 PM Darth Octane,
Thanks for your reply, and story :)
I found out eventually, I am now at a standstill in the install procedure... Thought I had everything right, but cruise doesn't work. I checked on the connections under the hood and they look good... but I'm thinking it has something to do with the 6-prong harness. Can anybody give advice on this? Tryin to drive down south and I can't get this thing to work!
vadimtk 09-27-2009, 08:32 PM My Jeep '07 was not pre-wired.. It took two days (~3h on each) to manage it.
Finally cruise does not work. I am quite puzzled what to do now. Any suggestions ?
zacsol 01-22-2010, 03:30 PM How can i verify that my patriot 08 2.0 CRD 6 speed manual is pre-wired for cruise control?
jepstr67 01-22-2010, 03:50 PM has anyone had ther speed control installed by a dealer, if so how much did they charge. im debating on doing it myself but i don know
thank in advance
KDXLIVE
I had mine installed when I bought the car before delivery. It was about $300.
I have installed and trouble shot many many cruise controls on older cars but this new computerized junk just isn't worth the effort. Let them do it. Save yourself a trip to the mental hospital.
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