With all the discussions about CVT and the manual tranny, I have not read anything by anyone who has actually driven a Patriot with the manual trans. The only thing close I have found was an article from some off road magazine that had a Patriot with a manual trans and as soon as they got to the "test site" they switched vehicles and got one with the FD2 so all they commented on was how the 5 speed vehicle did on the high speed rough road test. It did do well, they said.

I am going to buy a vehicle this year and the Patriot is high on the list but the CVT does not appeal to me. I have a Honda Pilot AWD and use the low 1 selection quite often. I wish it was even lower but it will do.
I am quite curious how low the first gear is on the manual trans. offered in the Patriot and how it rates with those who really prefer a manual tranny vs. an automatic or CVT.

By the way, I do know about the CVT with the "creeper" and have read about it in the off road reviews. Can anyone out there tell me first hand about how the manual performs?

Thanks.

I have driven a 4x4 stick compass which is the exact same drive config as the Patriot. I enjoyed the stick alot better than the CVT. It feels faster, doesn't just sit at redline while at wot, gets better MPG and is cheaper. I have a Patriot stick already built and is supposed to ship soon. I will update with a full review when it comes in.

I just picked up my Patriot on Saturday 3/10, and right now have 73 miles on it. I am very please with how smooth the shifter is, and overall driveability. I know some have commented how it comes out of the dash at the odd angle, but it moves in the standard H pattern, so the angle seems irrelevant to me. I have driven many different manual trans cars, as daily drivers, and have not noticed anything unusual.

The shifter throws are short, due to the Patriot being based on a FWD car platform, rather than a tall truck platform. Before ordering my Patriot, we test drove a Liberty Renegade 6 speed manual, with a very tall shifter, and very long throws. Did not like it.... Then test drove a Patriot 5 speed manual, and was much more appreciative of overall feel. Clutch takeup is light.

Don't know about 1st gear gearing, but at 65 the motor was turning about 27-2800 rpm (if memory is correct).

Since it is completely new, I have not revved it up yet to see what max acceleration can be achieved by going to redline. Still just taking it easy. But, I have floored it for a few seconds, and acceleration seems to be about average, as expected (it is definitely not a hot rod or sports car).

If any specific questions, ask, and I will try to respond.

I test drove a manual Patriot. I thought it was nice. It was smooth and had short shifts but I think the CVT is better. If you need a low gear I think the FDII would work better for you than a manual 4x4. I didnt find the manual to be noticably quicker than the CVT but it may seem that way to some people because its a more traditional feel than the CVT which has no shifts. I thought the CVT was particularly nice in stop and go traffic.

I've put about 1700 miles on my Patriot and love the stick. I had test driven a Compass with CVT and hated it, of course I haven't had a car without a stick since 1990. The acceleration isn't great but it beats the CVT and doesn't have to rev as high to do it. The gear shift is a little high for my preference but it was better after I raised my seat, which also helped with my all around vision. I've had no problems goign up a couple of icy driveways and an icy hill in the woods where I took some scouts camping (several of the other trucks were spinning their wheels on the same hill). The cruise control with manual stays right on speed as opposed to my wife's van that has an automatic with cruise that can vary 10mph from where you set it and downshifts unnecessarily. Personally, I wouldn't have bought a Patriot at all if CVT was my only choice, unfortunately the manual is not available in Trail Rated. Hopefully Jeep will change their mind on that one by the time I run this one into the ground.

I ordered a 5-speed Patriot Limited after driving both the Compass and the Patriot in a manual. I find that the throw is shorter than the manual Cherokee that I had previously. Not as precise as the stick in my BMW 528 but I didn't expect it to be. I also like the idea of being able to use all of the horsepower available in that small of an engine and not lose any of it to a CVT. We did take the old Cherokee on several tough trails at three Jeep Jamborees but I don't know if they would let us out there with a non trail rated vehicle.

I appreciate all the good info. I will go drive a manual one when I get a chance.

Whoever has one now - how slow can you go? If you are lugging around in 1st gear do you think it would be slow enough to do any off roading?
If first gear isn't low enough it could be a clutch killer and I could see the entire AWD system getting more of a workout compared to a CVT even with the crawl gear. If first gear is low enough, you can completely let the pedal all the way out sooner, if it is a little too high a ratio that clutch won't like it, it will wear out alot sooner and might move you along faster than you want while going up, down, or over something.
I don't know if I can find this out during a test drive since we don't have much in the way of hills near the dealerships here.

I just went around the block to check lugging ability. It idles along at 800 rpm, about 4 mph. Let it idle up a hill, probably 8-10% grade, and maintained the same speed. Turned around, came back down same hill, ran at about 5-6 mph. 1st gear is about 2000 rpm at 10 mph. Hope this helps. I have no offroad experience, so don't know if this is slow enough.

I just went around the block to check lugging ability. It idles along at 800 rpm, about 4 mph. Let it idle up a hill, probably 8-10% grade, and maintained the same speed. Turned around, came back down same hill, ran at about 5-6 mph. 1st gear is about 2000 rpm at 10 mph. Hope this helps. I have no offroad experience, so don't know if this is slow enough.

Thanks, dougep. I appreciate you doing that! This is very good information.
The last salesman asked if I wanted to take the vehicle for and day or so but it had a CVT. I think I'll watch for the first 5 speed they get and take him up on the offer, that way I can "really" try it out.
Thanks again. I'll report back later.

Hi all, fortunatly my dealer had the sport 4x4 stick when it was time to test drive. Took it for a 45 minute drive and my wife and I loved the feeling of the clutch et stick distance between speeds. Yes, the stick looks bizare on the sloped console but is irrelivant when driving it. Tried the CVT on the compass and hated it very much (my wife and I). But, seeing that we're hardcore stick users. Every car we've owned were manual. Also, distance and height between the central arm rest and the stick is just right for us (we both are 5'10'' tough). So, our arms are at rest while our hand rests and the stick (I guess it's power thing to just keep your hand on the stick... hi hi hi).

Will get back to you in about 8 weeks, when we get ours that we ordered. In my region, it's very mountainious. So I'll test the shifting and downshifting.

Until then.

2700-2800 RPM at 65 MPH! That is horrible!

I have a Toyota Corolla and what I hate about it most is a crumby top gear. I am running 3000 RPM at 70 MPH. At those speeds my Corolla, which the EPA claims gets 30/40 gets at most 34 MPG. I suspect this is because the top gear is too low and the engine is revving too high. If the Patriot is the same way I would not be surprised at terrible 70 MPH mileage, especially with its aerodynamics.

2700-2800 RPM at 65 MPH! That is horrible!

I have a Toyota Corolla and what I hate about it most is a crumby top gear. I am running 3000 RPM at 70 MPH. At those speeds my Corolla, which the EPA claims gets 30/40 gets at most 34 MPG. I suspect this is because the top gear is too low and the engine is revving too high. If the Patriot is the same way I would not be surprised at terrible 70 MPH mileage, especially with its aerodynamics.
In my short highway driving experience with my CVT-equipped Patriot, the engine was purring at 2200rpms doing 70mph.

In my short highway driving experience with my CVT-equipped Patriot, the engine was purring at 2200rpms doing 70mph.

I can second this as I have the same results - 2200 rpm@ 70mph - with my CVT.

I recall one of the reviews said that at higher speeds, the CVT resulted in lower RPMs than the manual tranny and that MPG might be better with the CVT at these higher speeds. Oh for a diesel with a six speed manual trans.

Since the whole idea of the cvt is to atomatically adjust to the optimal gearing for the speed and amount of throttle, I would think that for highway cruising (just maintaining speed) the RPMs would be lower than you would get in any traditional transmission.

Since the whole idea of the cvt is to atomatically adjust to the optimal gearing for the speed and amount of throttle, I would think that for highway cruising (just maintaining speed) the RPMs would be lower than you would get in any traditional transmission.
That assumes that the "gearing" range of the CVT exceeds that of traditional transmissions, which it apparently does. :smiley_thumbs_up: The more I drive with the CVT, the more I like it.

As far as I understand there are 6 different gear ratios from which the CVT selects, so it may actually may have a higher top gearing. If specs could be located on this fact, that would be helpful. What I did ask is if anybody knew what that manual got at high speeds. I really do not like automatic transmissions, no matter what sort of gadgetery they involve, and I really do not like short top gears. The 5th gear used to be the overdrive gear, which meant that it should be not used if acceleration was necessary, it was merely to maintain speeds at high velocites, but the idiots that designed my Toyota seem not to grasp this. I hope the designers at Jeep did not make the same mistake. I doubt very highly that the Patriot 4x4 manual Patriot will get anything near 29 MPG at 70 MPH. Those EPA testers were probably going 55 MPH.

In my short highway driving experience with my CVT-equipped Patriot, the engine was purring at 2200rpms doing 70mph.

We test drove a manual 2wd model yesterday. It was definitely up there in RPMs, close to 3000 at 70mph, and you could definitely hear the engine revving. This is unacceptable to me since most of my driving would be on the highway.

To be honest, i had really been looking forward to driving and buying a Patriot but i was certainly disappointed with the one i drove yesterday. It seemed sluggish and it was just no fun to drive. The manual is definitely out but i'm not giving up just yet. I am skeptical at this point but hopefully the CVT will be a bit more impressive. The salesman is supposed to call when a CVT equipped unit comes in so we'll see how it does.

The engine 2.0 L engine for the 2x4 is quite underpowered, and I am not surprised that it is a dog and revs to 3000 at 70 MPH. I would like to know what the 4x4 2.4 L 5-speed manual does.

I'd rather get a RAV 4 or the Hyundai Santa Fe if I cannot get a manual.

The engine 2.0 L engine for the 2x4 is quite underpowered, and I am not surprised that it is a dog and revs to 3000 at 70 MPH. I would like to know what the 4x4 2.4 L 5-speed manual does.

I'd rather get a RAV 4 or the Hyundai Santa Fe if I cannot get a manual.

I know i read 2.4 on the sticker but now that i think about it, theres a posibility that maybe what i read was the standard engine size. The way i'm understanding it is that the 2.0 is the optional engine and since the price was so low on the one i drove yesterday, it could have had the smaller engine. I never even looked under the hood. There might be hope yet,, will have to call the dealership tomorrow and see if this is the case!

The engine 2.0 L engine for the 2x4 is quite underpowered, and I am not surprised that it is a dog and revs to 3000 at 70 MPH. I would like to know what the 4x4 2.4 L 5-speed manual does.

I'd rather get a RAV 4 or the Hyundai Santa Fe if I cannot get a manual.

cant get a RAV 4 in a manual. they dont even make one.

That assumes that the "gearing" range of the CVT exceeds that of traditional transmissions, which it apparently does. :smiley_thumbs_up: The more I drive with the CVT, the more I like it.


From the brochure:

CVT2 and CVT2L have a ratio range of 1:2.35 to 1:0.39.

The 5 speed has ratio range of 1:3.77 to 1:0.81

The CVT2 transmissions have a heck of an overdrive! No wonder the engine turns so slowly at highway speeds.

Remember also that the final drive ratio's are different amongst the various transmissions.

I think the manual gets a 4.12
the CVT2 gets an 6.12
the CVT2L gets a 8.1

Remember also that the final drive ratio's are different amongst the various transmissions.

I think the manual gets a 4.12
the CVT2 gets an 6.12
the CVT2L gets a 8.1


I posted this in another thread:

Overall top gear ratio on CVT2 is 2.41, CVT2L is 3.21

I'll add that the 5 speed has an overall top gear ratio of 3.34.

All of these specs are from the brochure.

That's quite a difference in engine speed at the wheels.

If you do the math, 2200 rpms @ 70 mph with the CVT2 equates to 3050 rpms @ 70 with the manual. That's exactly what has been reported here. You would expect the CVT2L equipped engine to be spinning at 2930 rpms @ 70 mph.

Does anyone have any real world mpg calculations for their 5 speed or CVTI and II equipped Patriots? It seems to me that the CVT should deliver better mileage on the highway, under real driving conditions (not 55 mph only). Can anyone confirm this?

I was sold on a 5 spd Limited but now I'm not so sure. I do a lot of highway driving and I'm not sure the 5 spd will deliver good mpg under real world conditions.

Should we start a thread to report fuel consumption in the various configurations?

Does anyone have any real world mpg calculations for their 5 speed or CVTI and II equipped Patriots? It seems to me that the CVT should deliver better mileage on the highway, under real driving conditions (not 55 mph only). Can anyone confirm this?

I was sold on a 5 spd Limited but now I'm not so sure. I do a lot of highway driving and I'm not sure the 5 spd will deliver good mpg under real world conditions.

Should we start a thread to report fuel consumption in the various configurations?
I'm getting 23mpg city (and improving as time goes on) on my Limited w/CVT. I haven't done enough highway driving to give an accurate highway mpg figure. When I was first interested in the Patriot, I too was looking at the 5 speed, but ended up taking the CVT since it was the only one on the dealer's lot. After driving 800 miles, (and reading some more info on the 5 spd) I'm glad that I got the CVT.

I should be taking a drive down to Phoenix soon, once I do I'll report back mpg figures (it is nearly all highway driving with a 75MPH limit)

Realistically, the CVT will require a substantial difference in fuel economy to pay down the thoursand dollar premium over the manual. A similar issue may occur when the diesel becomes available and it requires perhaps a thousand dollar premium over the gasser. The choice will likely depend upon one's driving preferences. I drove a corporate vehicle with CVT for several years and in heavy acceleration and mountainous driving I was often feeling "Captain, I'm giving you all she's got, any more and she'll blow" as the engine sat at high rpm. But, it appears others are very happy with the CVT. I think it's great that Jeep provided us with a choice and we can have fun debating the pros, cons, and our personal preferences.

Does anyone have any real world mpg calculations for their 5 speed or CVTI and II equipped Patriots? It seems to me that the CVT should deliver better mileage on the highway, under real driving conditions (not 55 mph only). Can anyone confirm this?

I was sold on a 5 spd Limited but now I'm not so sure. I do a lot of highway driving and I'm not sure the 5 spd will deliver good mpg under real world conditions.

Should we start a thread to report fuel consumption in the various configurations?

YES, excellent idea, I second this motion. DMAG is this a possiblity:notworthy: ?

The roads in the region where I live has a lot of mountains and curves. I'll be using the Patriot (North 2WD model stick 2.4L) to get to one of the mills where I do some work (180KM there and back from home). I'm really curious to see the fuel consumption in winter versus summer. I'll also compare with my two other cars a 1996 Jetta GL Diesel stick and a 2000 Mazda 626 LX-V6 5 speed stick. My Patriot is code BZ at the plant today.

I have one solution to the high rpm at highway speeds issue..... Lift and larger tires. The larger tire diameter results in few revs per mile therefore lowing engine rpm. Just make sure you get your speedo re-calibrated. :D

Any manuals in Detroit metro? It seems they ALL order CVT only.

I appreciate all the good info. I will go drive a manual one when I get a chance.

Whoever has one now - how slow can you go? If you are lugging around in 1st gear do you think it would be slow enough to do any off roading?
If first gear isn't low enough it could be a clutch killer and I could see the entire AWD system getting more of a workout compared to a CVT even with the crawl gear. If first gear is low enough, you can completely let the pedal all the way out sooner, if it is a little too high a ratio that clutch won't like it, it will wear out alot sooner and might move you along faster than you want while going up, down, or over something.
I don't know if I can find this out during a test drive since we don't have much in the way of hills near the dealerships here.

I know exactly what you getting at as i took it out this weekend on an offroad trip and encountered some hairy uphills. Now because the uphills had humps running diagonnally across them every now and then for water drainage i couldn't just floor it and race up these heavy inclines. This is when you require a powerful low gear which doesn't need to speed to get its vooma. Fortunately my PAT managed it but it doesn't cruise along in 1st gear as slowly as i would like it too!

I can only talk on the 6 speed mannual and found that you do need to rev the engine to pull off from start.On idle though it will pull the Pat up a slight incline as I found to my horror on my first day picking up the boy from school,holding the Pat on the brake and clutch it started to pull up this hill on idle,s*** myself as the boy was talking to me at the same time nearly rear ended a Ford Focus.Once in sixth gear though on a run I did hit 54mpg last week and the torque is great around town just touch the throttle and the Turbo takes you away.:D

I love my 5-speed manual. I test drove a CVT because that was all the dealer had, and was not impressed. At all. Gutless, and jerky, and just plain weird. Others here have said it probably had issues, but I wasn't impressed. being that I prefer a stick anyhow, I just had them get me one of those from another dealer, as I like everything else about it.

My first tank got me 29.3 MPG, mostly in town. Looks like the second tank is going to come out about 27, I'll know in a couple of days. haven't done much highway driving yet, but it's smooth on the short trips I've made. As far as RPMs at highway speed, I was not surprised or shocked at around 3K for 70 MPH. I've driven a lot of stick-shift 4-bangers, and that's pretty much where they all sat.

Mine is the 4X2 Sport, so I can't speak to off-road capability on this truck, but I do have a lot of off-road experience, and in my opinion, if the tranny in the 4X4 is the same as in mine, I don't think it would be adequate. I think if Jeep wants to offer a manual for those applications, it needs a granny gear.

If you have test driven a Patriot 5 speed you have not experienced the real joy of the Patriot 5 speed. You have to put about a thousand miles on the shift linkage to really get it worn in enough to really show you how well it works.

We got 1 of each, wife has a red north CVT, I got a silver sport 5 speed, both 4x4. I see benefits of both tranny's. I found mine pretty tricky to drive up ramps in my yard to change the oil, takes alot of throttle to crawl it up. I find the CVT has more get up and go then my stick on the highway as well. I still prefer my stick though.

I'll add that the 5 speed has an overall top gear ratio of 3.34.

That is for the MK 4WD 5-speed that has a 5th gear ratio of 0.81:1. The 2WD 5-speed has a taller 5th gear @ 0.72:1 giving a final drive ratio of 2.97:, between the CVT2 and CVT2L

:soapbox:
Anyway, the stick sucks. I don't understand why anyone would want one. Hello, it's 2008, not 1908! Resale value tanks more than auto. Gearing too short in the MK's (2000rpm in 5th gear is 48mph!). Besides, the non FDII models have autostick that has all the benefits of the manual with none of the penalties.

Each person is either a manual transmission lunatic or a sane auto lover. Few people seriously cross shop both. It's quite clear where I fall. :blah: ;) :p :Na_Na_Na_Na:

I appreciate all the good info. I will go drive a manual one when I get a chance.

Whoever has one now - how slow can you go? If you are lugging around in 1st gear do you think it would be slow enough to do any off roading?
If first gear isn't low enough it could be a clutch killer and I could see the entire AWD system getting more of a workout compared to a CVT even with the crawl gear. If first gear is low enough, you can completely let the pedal all the way out sooner, if it is a little too high a ratio that clutch won't like it, it will wear out alot sooner and might move you along faster than you want while going up, down, or over something.
I don't know if I can find this out during a test drive since we don't have much in the way of hills near the dealerships here.
Over the weekend I was on a very rough logging road and 1st gear is not low enough. You either have to ride the clutch or drive faster and pound over the holes and rocks.

:soapbox:
Anyway, the stick sucks. I don't understand why anyone would want one. Hello, it's 2008, not 1908! Resale value tanks more than auto. Gearing too short in the MK's (2000rpm in 5th gear is 48mph!). Besides, the non FDII models have autostick that has all the benefits of the manual with none of the penalties.

Each person is either a manual transmission lunatic or a sane auto lover. Few people seriously cross shop both. It's quite clear where I fall. :blah: ;) :p :Na_Na_Na_Na:

I think is not the case.

Mine in 5th gear at 2000 rpm's is right around 60MPH. As far as lunacy, I have never known about, or owned an automatic tranny that didn't have problems down the line. They are much higher maintenance, and much more susceptible to damage/breakdown in my experience. The lifetime powertrain warranty negates cost on this issue, but not inconvenience, and regular auto tranny services add up to a costly maintenance expense over a period of years. I have never had to get work done on my manuals, one I drove to 314K and the tranny was about the only thing on the truck still functioning properly. People also argue that clutches will bankrupt you, but I have never had a modern, hydraulic, clutch that went less than 100K before it gave up completely, some much, much, more. My sis in law recently broke the 300K barrier on her Civic, clutch is original.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Auto-stick thing. I don't care if you CAN shift it, it's not the same as driving a manual.

Auto tranny's are very beneficial in some situations, like rush hour traffic and rock crawling, or, well, I guess that's it.

No offense here, but since I'm being a called a lunatic, I just have to point out that to me, buying a tranny that I know is going to break and cost me money, and wouldn't be nearly as much fun for me to drive, would be lunacy.

We've had auto transmissions which failed without warning, and they often leave you crawling down the road at 15MPH. Preventative maintenance has reduced these occasions, but it means a fluid change for each long trip, and once during the trip when flooring a V10 RV in heavy mountains for minutes at at time day after day.

With a manual clutch or synchros, they tend to go out so gradually that you can put them off for months or years until you decide when to get them fixed.

I am about 400 miles into my 5 day old Patriot Sport 2.4L FWD (Green metallic, grey cloth seats, "E" package and wheel/tire group) with a 5 speed and love it. I was not crazy about the CVT having driven 3 of them before I had the chance to try a 5 speed. Perhaps it's just getting used to the sound and feel vs normal automatics that don't have variable ratios, but I find the 5 speed to be more responsive and more fun to drive. Shifter is physically in an amazingly good ergonomic location and the clutch is great. And my first tank of gas gave me 30mpg even with some stop-and-go rush hour driving. That's my 2, from someone who just came out of 9 years with an automatic transmission 2000 Nissan Xterra.

I test drove a CVT... bought a 5spd and am not looking back.

Tex, note all the smilies. I called myself a lunatic.

2WD 5-spd should be around 54mph @ 2000rpm in 5th gear, about 12% faster than the 4WD because the gear ratio is 12% taller.

And yet the 5-speed manual is EPA rated an average of 3mpg better on the Highway cycle...despite the higher revs! ;)

I love my stick shift. However, I believe this uses a type of syncro system that prevents shifting to the incorrect gear. This of coarse is Wikipedia Gospel. LOL. However, I've notice, that mine will give a slight grind when going to 3rd in high reves. With that being said, If I don't drive like a nut case. I'm good. Also, reverse is sometime hard to get into. However reseting the clutch always fixes that. Like I said, I love driving the manual. It has made me enjoy driving again, as I use to really hate it.

Let's remember that mileage is related to engine vacuum, or load.

Last summer I did the gears in our other truck, going from 3.08 to 3.73, and obviously the RPM on the hwy went up accordingly, but I also gained 3mpg by getting the engine vacuum back to 16 inches of mercury, (by lightening the 'load' through gearing). There is something to be said (good) about the lower rpm of the CVT, BUT it is not just an rpm related issue. The 2.4 5sp could likely benifit from lower 5th gearing, but I'm betting that the engine vacuum is really high at 65mph due to the light gearing, which would also make for better mixed driving mileage.

Thanks for this forum, by the way. We are shopping now for a Pat, and the 5spd is on the radar, also a north edition Fwd. There is already a CVD equipped model in the family, and after hearing about it (mostly very positive, I add) I'm going for the stick..

How much rough stuff will it idle though? I've tried some small hills and it seems to idle/crawl up them pretty good. It hasn't stalled on my yet anyway.....

This is my first manual and it is depressing realizing what I missed over the years, though i am finally getting comfortable (somewhat) in stop and go with it :D

I love my stick shift. However, I believe this uses a type of syncro system that prevents shifting to the incorrect gear. This of coarse is Wikipedia Gospel.

Well I went to the service department about that mentioned above. They informed me that they will put in a new tranny. It's on order and should be here on Friday. The car only has 3,400 miles on it. This seems to be a problem with the Pat 5 speeds so keep that in mind when thinking of your purchase.

Thanks, I appreciate you doing that! This is very good information.

I too have the 5 spd love it. also drove the cvt did not care for it, it seems like the person who never learned sticks way to be cool.

I have 30,000 miles on my 08 Patriot 5spd FWD, the shifter is positioned comfortably and shifts smoothly, no problems so far. Occasionally have a little trouble getting it into reverse, but by just simply putting it in netural and releaseing the clutch seems to solve this issue, had the same type deal with my Subaru.

Everybody seems to be talking about a five-speed box. Don't Patriots in North America have six-speed gearboxes? They nearly all have a six-speeder over here.

Only the CRD has 6 speed !! The UK spec. 2.4 Gas has 5 speed or CVT just like USA!!

I'd be interested to know, Tiptronic, how many petrol-engined Patriots have been sold over here in Europe as opposed to diesels, wouldn't you? No way of finding out, of course, except to befriend and chat to a salesman next trip to the dealers. It'd be interesting to find out if my local franchise have sold........any.
I once asked this at Land Rovers and the salesman said, "Of course. Most Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports are petrol. Footballers and the wealthy don't like oil on their clothes!" That wouldn't apply to Patriot owners, would it?

Rocal

Ugh, me drive 5 speed Patriot. Me no like noisy new-fangled techno tranny Ugh.
LOL
Seriousely I love my 5 speed, really glad I got it, but again I tend to prefer manuals anyway.
$&@&$ Europeans and @$$&@@$ CRD 6 speeds ( that I would about give my eye teeth for)

I really like the 5 speed, but I do drive the Compass with the CVT every so often when my wife says "we'll take my car". I would like to try one with the auto stick. Ours is an 07 so before the auto sick feature. Those of us with a light foot, seem to really like the CVT and those who drive aggressively seem to hate it.