Just installed my 245/75/16 Goodyear Wrangler MTR's on Moab Wheels. :smiley_thumbs_up:
I will post pics on the gallery.

oh sweet. hows the rubbin? i get rubbin when hard lock left or right on the inner wheel well.

Did you end up altering the pinch weld or customizing the fender well liner? I already have the MOAB rims 16"x8" and am waiting for RR to get more bushings for their kits. I've been wondering if the 245/75/16 tires would work. I am going to lift my Patriot but it is the FWD 2X4 so I don't know if I will have the same amount of lift as you allowing room for the larger tire. I'm curious to hear if your tires rub anywhere. Looking forward to seeing the pics.

Did you end up altering the pinch weld or customizing the fender well liner? I already have the MOAB rims 16"x8" and am waiting for RR to get more bushings for their kits. I've been wondering if the 245/75/16 tires would work. I am going to lift my Patriot but it is the FWD 2X4 so I don't know if I will have the same amount of lift as you allowing room for the larger tire. I'm curious to hear if your tires rub anywhere. Looking forward to seeing the pics.

4X4, 4X2, 2X4, it dont matter, u will get the same amount of lift. 2 and 1/8th inch. however since his is a FDII he will get the same 2 and 1/8th but sit higher due to the stiffer springs.:blah:

I hammered the pinch welds flat, then heated the fender liners and stretched them till they were flat. I have a little rubbing when in reverse with wheels turned 1/3 of the way but that is it and I will make minor adjustments to fender liner to correct.
I can't get the pics on it is telling me that the file is to large! I have not had this problem before! :confused:

resize, or use a different img host.

Just installed my 245/75/16 Goodyear Wrangler MTR's on Moab Wheels. :smiley_thumbs_up:
I will post pics on the gallery.

still trying to find your 'pics', little buddy.....:D

Try this.
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This is something I can't wait to see alot of people have been saying there is only 30" to the spring catch and if his tires fit with out rubbing that catch that could and will open up alot of new tires... and hopefully open alot of owners eyes.

we posted at the same time... and I can't see photobucket pics at work... damn

I just tried the links and they worked for me. If it does not work, google (jeep patriot sema) and pretend that the jeep you see is black, oh yeah and a stock front bumper!

looks great, a better pic of the springcatch and clearance to tire would be nice.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/jenniferlearnest/jeeppatriot008.jpg
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i admit, it does look good.....but how about posting a pic of your front struts, the spring guard and how they relate to the top of your tire. i, for one, want to see HOW MUCH ROOM you have.

you know what they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words"....'they' are pretty smart.....;)

Those look amazing, nice work!! Nice monkey too.

WOW! Very cool. Do you think those tires and rims would work on a lifted FWD Patriot or do I need the stiffer/taller FDII springs? I've still not sure what the conclusion was on that. Some have said the FDIIs extra 1" came from the premium tires, others say that and different springs. I have the Moab wheels and I'm waiting for the lift now I just want to be certain about tires. Yours are incredible and I'd like to do the same.

WOW x2!! Thats awesome lookin':wow: Please please please, more explaining of FDII/FDI, specialy about spring diferences. Cause we only have FDI awailable...

I NEED to have that much lift and those moab wheels, here (in Finland) Jeep representive said those rims cost about 650€(~975$). How much does those cost in US? And allso is there aftermarket manufacturers of same lookin' rims?

Great work mearnest!

The wheel and lift combo looks like it belongs that way off the showroom floor!

Looks Great.......

Looks badass mearnest, LOVE IT!

If the MTR's tire section width (according to Tire Rack) is 9.8" on a 7" rim. Does that mean I can assume your tires are stretched to 10.8" on your 8" Moabs?

Wow Mearnest that tire and rim combo looks really good.....

looks and functionality are different! while i agree it "LOOKS GOOD" doesnt mean its the best setup. But to each his own! I also give a :smiley_thumbs_up: for being brave and trying something new:D

WOW! Very cool. Do you think those tires and rims would work on a lifted FWD Patriot or do I need the stiffer/taller FDII springs? I've still not sure what the conclusion was on that. Some have said the FDIIs extra 1" came from the premium tires, others say that and different springs. I have the Moab wheels and I'm waiting for the lift now I just want to be certain about tires. Yours are incredible and I'd like to do the same.

Most probably they will fit since the springcatch is located in the same place on all the MKs. The extra inch of clearance is a combination of the 2 (stiffer springs and 215/65/17 tire) not just one or the other. U can always try, and if it dont fit sell the tires on e-bay or in the paper.:blah: Just a FYI, if u like the same look but want a better fit try 225/75/16 on the MOABs. Thats approx a 29.3" tire. There is also a larger selection of M/T tires at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?sortValue=1&resultsNumberSelected=Y&displayResults=68&compare=true&compareList=&RunFlat=All&goWhere=%252Ftires%252FCompare1.jsp&sortCode=&width=225%2F&ratio=75&diameter=16&startIndex=0

Looks good. What did it do to the fuel mileage?

that looks tuff:smiley_thumbs_up:that is what i am working on but my wife says that i have to wait :boxing:do you have the rocky road lift? and did you put it on. i have to buy the lift first but i am worried about how it will affect the pat. is it too hard on it? is it sluggish?? and when you have people in it does it rub (4 or more) does it sag. where did you get the wheels and tires? how much did it all cost? any help you can give me will help. sorry so many ? but you did what i wanted to do to mine!!!! i have an 07 5 speed fd1 with the 17 inch wheel and tire group. it really looks:carryflag::notworthy:

interesting FACTS for "Trail Rated" Patriot owners to consider before this wheel/tire swap.....

Fact Number 1) the OEM "Trail Rated" alloy wheel weighs 12lbs

Fact Number 2) the OEM "Trail Rated" tire (Goodyear Wrangler SR-A 215/65R17) weighs 22 lbs...a total of 34lbs.

Fact Number 3) the 16x8 "Moab" alloy wheel weighs 27lbs

Fact Number 4) the Goodyear Wrangler MTR tire weighs 50lbs...a total of 77lbs.

with these figures, anyone that has replaced the 'OEM' Trail Rated wheel/tire combo with the 16X8 Moabs and MTR's added FORTY THREE POUNDS at each wheel, or 172lbs total to their MK.

so before doing this, you should ask yourself: what effect will adding THAT much weight have on my MK's performance, life of cv joints, transmission, etc and of course, WARRANTY! if you're good with it, then by all means GO FOR IT! just be aware of the possible consequences down the road......

as for those of you with FWD MK's......:icon_rolleyes:

P.S. they DO look great though, don't they? :)

I need to see the front clearances also, why didn't you post them? Have you tried to "stuff" a tire while offroading" I think you may want to avoid that to prevent damage...............or at least do it gently at first! Yes(to Jeepster55's point), If we choose to "PLAY" be prepared to "PAY" :)
hvac59

complety sick !!! now look off-road!!

little question what is part number of the FD2 coil spring, front and rear??

can we get those shots of the gap inbetween the tire and catch?

Nice ride...

There is no way you can get tires that size to fit. The rims would have to have some serious off set to clear the spring perch.

If u look at the goodyear MTR tred the bites on the outside are flared (right term?) that would be the only posibility as to how they wouldnt hit the springcatch. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPic.jsp?sidewall=Blackwall&tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+MT%2FR&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=475PR6WRMTR&fromCompare1=yes&place=79

Just wanted to ask my question again so it doesn't get lost:


If the MTR's tire section width (according to Tire Rack) is 9.8" on a 7" rim. Does that mean I can assume the tires are stretched to 10.8" on your 8" Moabs?

Just wanted to ask my question again so it doesn't get lost:

i don't have an 'exact' figure, but my guess would only be about a 1/2" gain in section width, to 10.3" the sidewalls won't flex out the entire 1.0" difference in rim width.

can anyone calculate the EXACT measurement? GRAMPS?;)

If u look at the goodyear MTR tred the bites on the outside are flared (right term?) that would be the only posibility as to how they wouldnt hit the springcatch. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPic.jsp?sidewall=Blackwall&tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+MT%2FR&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=475PR6WRMTR&fromCompare1=yes&place=79

i think you might be on to something there.....with that 'flaring' of the tire AND the difference in the back spacing of in the OEM MK wheels and the Moabs, TOGETHER that combination may work.

BUT for anyone make a comment that may lead others to think ALL tires that size (245/75R16) will 'clear' would be a bit assumptive.

thanks for noticing that. GOOD POINT, 'liftedMK' ! :smiley_thumbs_up:

looks like someone is getting some rep points...

Hey Guys,
What is the offset on the 16" MOAB wheels? They look awesome on the Pat Mearnest. I'm looking into a set of alloys to replace the factory steel 16's and like the wider stance those wheels give.

Backspacing is 5" for certain on the Moabs,,,, and I think the factory cast ones are about 4.7" Like I said " I think"! It is posted on this board somewhere, just can't remember where.
hvac59

Thanks HVAC!

I sifted thorugh the different threads before I made this post an couldn't find it either. BTW, great job on your Pat. With the RR lift and the Rubi wheels it looks awesome. Exactly the look I'm trying to work towards. Being in NL it's hard to find Rubi wheels locally, and with ebay the shipping is going to be outragous. Hoping to find a similar aftermarket wheel here and then add the lift over the summer.

I've printed out the thread you posted with pics on the RR lift, for reference. It's great to have someone with the know-how and interest to do that and post it with pics afterwards. RR should pay you a comission! I'm orderring the lift from them based only on your Pat pics and the info you posted in that thread....

Cheers,

Thanks HVAC!
Being in NL it's hard to find Rubi wheels locally, and with ebay the shipping is going to be outragous.

Might be worth your while to plan a road trip ;)

Thanks for the feed back! I will try to answer as many questions as possible. I will post pics of the "spring catch" clearence when I have a free second, I have 3 kids all under 5! :o and work 60 hours a week! nuff bout me.
1. Tires have been stuffed on ramp and in the mud hole (tonight) no pics it was pouring. They did not hit anything but one spot on fenderliner(my fault needs more heat gun)
2. wheels and tires $400 for five! :D They are a little scratched up but I am going to powder coat black, soo no worries.
3. Yes RR lift I installed, FD2.
4. Does it lag or slow down vehicle? No not that I have noticed. I can spin all 4 in 4 wheel drive without bogging down. (esp off) I have even spun a quick front tire on asphalt(esp on?)
5. Gas millage? I don't know yet. I was getting 22 on average. I will update!
I will look over the rest of the questions and answer all that I missed this time in next post.
Thanks

2. wheels and tires $400 for five! :D They are a little scratched up but I am going to powder coat black, soo no worries.



heck of a deal on those wheels and powdercoating them in black will look bad!

p.s. bad as in "awesome";)

p.s. bad as in "awesome";)[/QUOTE]

Thanks :D
ps I am paying $75 per wheel for blasting and powder coating. Anybody know if that sounds like a good deal?

p.s. bad as in "awesome";)

Thanks :D
ps I am paying $75 per wheel for blasting and powder coating. Anybody know if that sounds like a good deal?[/QUOTE]

don't know....never had it done, but if it turns out right, to me it would be well worth it!

MEARNA

THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE. I HOPE TO DO THE SAME TO MINE SOMETIME SOON. THE PATRIOT IS NOT THAT POPULAR IN MISSOURI AND I HOPE TO HAVE MINE LOOK AS GOOD AS YOURS. MAY ASK YOU FOR HELP WHEN I GO TO DO MINE. THANKS!!!!

MEARNA

MAY ASK YOU FOR HELP WHEN I GO TO DO MINE. THANKS!!!!

Sure let me know when, it was all pretty easy!

Looks real slick, makes it look like a real Jeep.

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clearance with 235/65/17 (29.3")on stock 17" wheel. I am really courious to see the difference with the 30" tires.

"liftedmk", would you say that with the 235/65R17's, that is LESS than a 0.5" space you have between your tire and the spring guard? at least that's what it looks like to me from your pic......

:confused: maybe with the combination of the 245/75R16 MTR's on the Moabs with a different offset, they'll clear? according to all the specs i've seen, the difference between the "235" Geolanders and the "245" MTR's is 1.5".....i just can't see 1.5" fitting in a space that's LESS THAN 0.5" UNLESS the offset of the wheels actually moves the tire out from underneath the spring guard, in which case you would be drastically changing the steering geometry.

but if this info is correct: "Backspacing is 5" for certain on the Moabs,,,, and I think the factory cast ones are about 4.7" Like I said " I think"! It is posted on this board somewhere, just can't remember where.
hvac59", i have a hard time seeing it......

i think we would still would like to see some pics of the Moabs with the "245" MTR's in relation to the spring guard.......you know what they say; "A picture is worth a thousand words" ;)

I've been watching this post for a while and decided to find out what will fit on my Patriot. I have access to many tires and have already upgraded to Goodyear Fortera Tripletreds P225/65r17 (28.5") on stock wheels. With these tires, there is about a 1 inch to the spring seat. I mounted a P245/70r17 Goodyear SRA (30.6") on a stock wheel and found that it cleared the spring seat on the pass. side, but not on the driver's side. On closer inspection, I noticed that there is an outer guard on the spring seat, that can be bent by hand to clear the tire. The tire does contact the inner fender at full lock, but does not hit the pinch weld area at the rear of the wheelwell. The Rubicon wheels offset could cause a greater tire arc when turned and rub the pinch weld. Adding a lift kit will not increase the clearance to the spring seat. Going to a taller tire will increase fuel mileage, by decreasing engine speed at a given speed, BUT, you will not see that increase if the pinion factor is not changed to correct the speedometer/odometer. The options for this correction are limited, and the tallest tire listed is P215/65r17 (28"). One more thing. The spring/shock TOWER is the area in the body where the strut attaches to the vehicle, not the spring seat.

"liftedmk", would you say that with the 235/65R17's, that is LESS than a 0.5" space you have between your tire and the spring guard? at least that's what it looks like to me from your pic......

:confused: maybe with the combination of the 245/75R16 MTR's on the Moabs with a different offset, they'll clear? according to all the specs i've seen, the difference between the "235" Geolanders and the "245" MTR's is 1.5".....i just can't see 1.5" fitting in a space that's LESS THAN 0.5" UNLESS the offset of the wheels actually moves the tire out from underneath the spring guard, in which case you would be drastically changing the steering geometry.

but if this info is correct: "Backspacing is 5" for certain on the Moabs,,,, and I think the factory cast ones are about 4.7" Like I said " I think"! It is posted on this board somewhere, just can't remember where.
hvac59", i have a hard time seeing it......

i think we would still would like to see some pics of the Moabs with the "245" MTR's in relation to the spring guard.......you know what they say; "A picture is worth a thousand words" ;)


You are correct that there is less than .5". I too am courious to see pics and gain some better insite.:confused:

Same here I'm trying to do calculations in my head without physical evidence. My interest is the horizontal space between the inside of the 245 MTR tire and the shock.

I know a picture of this might be impossible but if I could get an estimate it would really help me out.

Fact Number 2) the OEM "Trail Rated" tire (Goodyear Wrangler SR-A 215/65R17) weighs 22 lbs...a total of 34lbs.


According to tire rack they weigh 28lbs not 22lbs...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Goodyear&model=Wrangler+SR-A&partnum=165SR7WSRAOWL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=14

According to tire rack they weigh 28lbs not 22lbs...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Goodyear&model=Wrangler+SR-A&partnum=165SR7WSRAOWL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=14

of course you're right.....i'm old, my memory isn't what it used to be. i know something was '22', maybe my IQ? :confused:

thanks for the correction! :smiley_thumbs_up:

I wasn't trying to sharp shoot you, I was trying to verify to ensure tireracks data was correct since that was the information I used to make my own tire decision... Basically I didn't want to know I made my decision on false data.

Thanks

I wasn't trying to sharp shoot you, I was trying to verify to ensure tireracks data was correct since that was the information I used to make my own tire decision... Basically I didn't want to know I made my decision on false data.

Thanks

no problem. we all need to be 'corrected' from time to time. typos or what have you. i use the same source, "Tire Rack"....they have great info on just about every tire imaginable, all in ONE PLACE.

there were just too many figures in my head at the time i posted. i assure you, there was no "PWI" (posting while intoxicated) :D

Do you have any real-world MPG with the 245s yet? Also, what did you do to correct your speedo - is it just a reprogram at the dealership?

Gas milage is 20mpg, 3/4 of my driving is in town! I was getting 23. I am going to take pics of the clearance in 15 minutes and will try posting the pic. Tire clearance to spring gaurd thingy is maybe a little less than 1/4".

Try this link. I suck at getting pics on here.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/jenniferlearnest/clearancejeep001.jpg

thanks for the pic...really not that bad. just one question.....how much does it 'overlap' the tire? meaning, how far OVER the tire does the spring guard go? 1.00"? with the 16" Moabs and the difference in offset, i was just wondering if that's why they are clearing the guard whereas the same diameter tire on the stock 17" alloys may not.....

Try this link. I suck at getting pics on here.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/jenniferlearnest/clearancejeep001.jpg

looks to be tight. but thats how i like it. TIGHT.:D

MK thanks for doing the techie stuff for me, I am much better with a wrench than a computer. Yes! I like it tight too. :smiley_thumbs_up:
Jeepster, the spring gaurd thingie hangs about 3/4 - 1 " over the tire. Don't really know why people are having issues with 17s.
I have seen some other posts concerning power! All I can tell you is that in the mud (deep mud) & even dirt when I step on the gas all 4 spin! and FAST! I have not had any issues with power! And if something like the trans. or engine (dies or blows up) I don't care! I have a LIFETIME WARRANTY! Even if jeep were to say by adding a lift you have voided your warranty on your suspension, I would be ok. Suspension has notta to do with engine and trans.
All I can say is I LOVE my little OFFROAD Riot! and still 20 mpg to boot!
Thanks

Gas milage is 20mpg, 3/4 of my driving is in town! I was getting 23. I am going to take pics of the clearance in 15 minutes and will try posting the pic. Tire clearance to spring gaurd thingy is maybe a little less than 1/4".

That's what I wanted to hear. :smiley_thumbs_up: Thanks! :banana:

that truck looks awesome with that rr lift , moab wheels and mtr tires!

[QUOTE=Jeepster55;
Fact Number 1) the OEM "Trail Rated" alloy wheel weighs 12lbs

Fact Number 2) the OEM "Trail Rated" tire (Goodyear Wrangler SR-A 215/65R17) weighs 22 lbs...a total of 34lbs.

:)[/QUOTE]

wrangler sr-a 215-65-17 Weighs 28LBS and not 22 !!

wrangler sr-a 215-65-17 Weighs 28LBS and not 22 !!

yes, that was a 'typo'.....even us PERFECT ones make boo boos....took ya long enough to catch it though. i had posted the same thing on 'another' site and made the correction soon after. forgot about this post......my bad:doh:

but in any event, my OEM tire and wheel combo still weighs LESS than just the tires alone that some have put on their MK's (50LBS+? WOW!!!)

How much does the stock steel 16" wheel weigh?

OK....so what is the biggest tire that you can use without rubbing any modification with the RR lift?

I have stock 17" rims?....I have a 4X4 FD1.

OK....so what is the biggest tire that you can use without rubbing any modification with the RR lift?

I have stock 17" rims?....I have a 4X4 FD1.


Quick answer - try 225/65R17 (28.5" tire) or 235/65R17 (29" tire) for a no rub tire with a RRO lift.

There are several posts to fish through that talk about tire size and rubbing. Running a search for posts from these members will take you to most of these posts:

goebel1
JeepJim
hvac59
mearnest
lifteMK

I don't think anyone has officially tested this...there are two FDI MK's that are running stock 17" rims, RRO lifts and 245/65R17's - a 29.5" diameter tire...goebel1 and JeepJim...they both report light rubbing with that size...here is a link to the post from goebel1 with pictures of his rubbing (post #24):
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4562&page=2

hvac59 and mearnest have shown that tread pattern can make a difference too (I don’t think it as anything to do with their Moab backspacing ‘cause its slightly less than the stock 17” rim backspacing

Utilize a tire size calculator to calculate the tire diameter...here's the one most of us use:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

I tried a used set of BFG's A/T that measured out to be about 28.75" diameter on my stock FDII last weekend and they rubbed on the plastic front inner wheel well liners at full wheel lock...my guess is a RRO lift would fix that issue, possibly allowing me to go with a new 29"...I'll probably go with a 29.5" 'cause the wheel liner modification is minor with a RRO lift.

Dude. Sweet!

Reminds me more of the ol' school Chickadees that made me buy this thing in the first place.

Does anyone see any reason why this combo (Moabs and 245/75/16's) wouldn't work on a lifted FD1? As far as I can tell from all of the posts the diameter max is the same. There is a used set in my area for sale and I am thinking of going this route.

Does anyone see any reason why this combo (Moabs and 245/75/16's) wouldn't work on a lifted FD1? As far as I can tell from all of the posts the diameter max is the same. There is a used set in my area for sale and I am thinking of going this route.

I have the exact same question. I can pick up some Moabs really cheap, and would love to do this, but I have the FD1 as well. Does anyone know if this would work? :confused:

Does anyone see any reason why this combo (Moabs and 245/75/16's) wouldn't work on a lifted FD1? As far as I can tell from all of the posts the diameter max is the same. There is a used set in my area for sale and I am thinking of going this route.

I have the exact same question. I can pick up some Moabs really cheap, and would love to do this, but I have the FD1 as well. Does anyone know if this would work? :confused:

define "work"....if you mean will they 'fit', yes. if you mean will they 'fit' and not cause any additional stress or wear and tear on your powertrain? then, highly doubtful.

there's a huge difference in weight between the Moabs and the OEM MK wheels. add in the weight difference between the OEM tires and the ones you choose to put on your Moabs? well, you 'could' be adding up to as much as 40lbs per WHEEL! that's alot of added 'rolling weight'. more stress on your CV joints, trans and even brakes.

but hey, it's YOUR vehicle.....do what you want.

define "work"....if you mean will they 'fit', yes. if you mean will they 'fit' and not cause any additional stress or wear and tear on your powertrain? then, highly doubtful.

there's a huge difference in weight between the Moabs and the OEM MK wheels. add in the weight difference between the OEM tires and the ones you choose to put on your Moabs? well, you 'could' be adding up to as much as 40lbs per WHEEL! that's alot of added 'rolling weight'. more stress on your CV joints, trans and even brakes.

but hey, it's YOUR vehicle.....do what you want.

Thanks for the input, Jeepster. I hear what you are saying, and I really am taking it all in. I don't want to wear the pat out any sooner than I need too. I'm not looking for a long term set up...just something to play with. I fully intend to keep my OEM wheels and tires, and will run them most of the time. Think of the Moabs and bigger tires as a pair of patent leather wing tip shoes that you only wear out when you want to turn a few heads...:p Now, every jeep deserves a set of head turning shoes...right? :D

so the stories ending is ithey will "fit" on a FDI with no lift, correct? rubbing issues? or did i miss somthing?

so the stories ending is ithey will "fit" on a FDI with no lift, correct? rubbing issues? or did i miss somthing?

I think that they will only "fit" on a LIFTED FD1. I'm pretty sure that you need the lift to get the 30.5 in wheel/tire combo on there.

ok thanks!

I have 245/65R17's which equate to about 29.5" and I would not attempt to put theses beasts on my 'Riot!...

Just not enough room. For photos you can check out my cardomain link.

After looking closely at the pictures, I noticed something, but I could be wrong. Are you having any camber caster issues with this tire wheel combo. I used to have a lifted bronco II and ate through tires all the time due to this. The same thing with my lowered civic. The back tires seem to have some lean inward at the top.

After looking closely at the pictures, I noticed something, but I could be wrong. Are you having any camber caster issues with this tire wheel combo. I used to have a lifted bronco II and ate through tires all the time due to this. The same thing with my lowered civic. The back tires seem to have some lean inward at the top.


I have noticed that too in the angled shots but shots directly from the rear I have not noticed it... I had it aligned after I had installed the lift and according to the alignment machine its only off by 1/10th of a degree. Recently I have noticed it pulling to the passengers (left) side a little and plan on getting re-aligned.

If you search around the forums you will see I had issues with the local shop when I had it aligned... they didn't have have right software update for their digital alignment machine for the 2007's or 2008's.

bump for maurauder pilot.

I wouldn't go this big. The Patriot doesn't have the power (IMO) to turn these monster tires offroad over a rock.

bump for maurauder pilot.

I wouldn't go this big. The Patriot doesn't have the power (IMO) to turn these monster tires offroad over a rock.

I"ll go on record and state that I agree 100% with heckler. I just put back on my stock rims for the purpose of taking the patriot to the track, and there is a difference aceleration wise and even going at slow speeds over rough terrain, the Pat definately works harder with the tires I have, Although I did get heavy 10 Ply load range E tires, there are lighter mud/all terrain tires out there.

I"m not posting this to discourage others, mostly just for information.

very sexy black patriot.

Is Mearnest still on the forum? Just wondering how the tire combo is working? have u had any problems yet? I love the look!!!!

Is Mearnest still on the forum? Just wondering how the tire combo is working? have u had any problems yet? I love the look!!!!

Hasn't been on here for over a year. I wonder, like you, how his tire/wheel combo has worked out.

I wonder if he still has his Patriot? Anyone on here actually KNOW "mearnest"?