Yesterday Jeep moved the Patriot to the front page of their website and info is now available with the rest of the Jeep lineup. Of interest, they released 2007 EPA MPG estimates for all configurations.

http://www.jeep.com/en/performance/#mpg_patriot

As a former XJ owner, this is the first Jeep that has captured the spirit of the old XJ even if the "guts" are different. I look forward to these hitting the lot!

As a former XJ owner, this is the first Jeep that has captured the spirit of the old XJ even if the "guts" are different. I look forward to these hitting the lot!

X2

21 city/ 23 hwy w/ 2.4L CVT2L OUCH!

Here's the US Department of Energy's gas mileage for ALL 2007 Jeeps (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Jeep2007.shtml).

Here is the direct link for the 2007 Jeep Patriot with the 4 cyl, 2.4 L, Automatic (CVT) (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23809.shtml) and one for with the 4 cyl, 2.4 L, Manual (5 speed) (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23810.shtml)

WELL,THE MPG's BETTER THEN MY OLD 98 4X4 FRONTIER

Are these MPG numbers impacted by the new, tougher standards? Don't know if they have gone into effect yet. Still not bad.

Yes,I agree,the MPG isn't too bad. I was lucky if I got 20 MPG with my Frontier.I may be wrong but I thought the new standards are not in effect yet next year.

25/29 for the 5speed is considerably better than the automatic/CVT. 5speed looks very appealing given the improved performance, mileage, and much less costly vehicle than the auto. I guess we can thank the back-to-true-basics jeep folk or perhaps the performance-oriented ricers for bringing back the manual tranny. And, I wonder if we will be eventually reading, as on the Cherokee and Liberty forums, complaints about performance and poor fuel economy from those that purchase the auto trannies.

If I buy the Patriot I would like to get the 5-speed, but I don't think you can get a lockable 4wd with it, only the real-time version which most compact SUV's already have.

To get lockable I think you need a CVT.

You can only get the low range with the CVT.

I would like a 5 speed myself but because my wife had a leg injury and it will be hers, she wants the CVT.Oh well,maybe she'll let me pick the color.

I would like a 5 speed myself but because my wife had a leg injury and it will be hers, she wants the CVT.Oh well,maybe she'll let me pick the color.

X2

I have a knee injury and drive a manual TJ. I'm lucky I have a good commute (no bumper to bumper traffic). Since I'm only getting older and my commute can only get worse, I'm going to keep the manual for the weekends. So my next vehicle (Patriot) will have a CVT.

You can only get the low range with the CVT.

Is it a true low range or just that's the way the CVT is 'geared' for lack of a better term?

I like being able to shift when off roading - except when crawling slowly up a hill. I wonder how the CVT handles a slow crawl down hill?!?!? I am not talking about out of a parking structure either.

Is it a true low range or just that's the way the CVT is 'geared' for lack of a better term?

I like being able to shift when off roading - except when crawling slowly up a hill. I wonder how the CVT handles a slow crawl down hill?!?!? I am not talking about out of a parking structure either.

I doubt its a 'real' low range (as in a standard transfer case with a seperate set of 'gears'). Since there aren't any real gears in a CVT (or a real transfer case) there is no way to have a seperate set of gears for low range. Appearantly its a seperate set of 'software' that gives it a low range. 'Quasi' low range would probably be a better term. I'm not knocking the CVT2L. Its just new, high speed and very different from what i'm familiar with.

The CVT2L probably handles a slow down hill crawl fairly well. With all the high speed traction and braking systems it better. Still there is nothing like going downhill in 4L in 1st gear and letting the engine/gears/gravity do all the hard work. :D

DCX' press release on the CVT2L refers to "new technology". What it is, I don't know. However, I'm sure it is very different than what most of us are familar with in our XJ's, Wranglers, GC . . .

[QUOTE=xjtke611;2137]I doubt its a 'real' low range (as in a standard transfer case with a seperate set of 'gears'). Since there aren't any real gears in a CVT (or a real transfer case) there is no way to have a seperate set of gears for low range. Appearantly its a seperate set of 'software' that gives it a low range. 'Quasi' low range would probably be a better term. I'm not knocking the CVT2L. Its just new, high speed and very different from what i'm familiar with.

Wikopedia on the FD2. Note low range transfer case.........?
Freedom Drive II
Freedom Drive II uses the same hardware as the FDI system but adds a continuously variable transmission to provide the benefits of a 19:1 low-range transfer case for off-road use. FDII also adds hill descent control, off-road tuned traction control, and electronic stability program. The Patriot with FDII will also feature longer suspension travel, skid plates, tow hooks, and a full-size spare tire. This enables the FDII-equipped Patriot to wear the Trail Rated badge from Jeep. Trail Rated Jeep vehicles are capable of driving the full length of the Rubicon Trail without any modifications.

Applications:

2007– Jeep Patriot

...Still there is nothing like going downhill in 4L in 1st gear and letting the engine/gears/gravity do all the hard work. :D

I'll second that. I wonder if it will hold a slow speed without the need for breaking in a steep decent, or if, without braking the speed will slowly climb higher.

I've been searching the forum for about an hour now and I can't see to find discussion/numbers on actual observed fuel mileage for the Patriot. Am I missing a thread? I found only one mention of actual numbers. I'm interested in a Patriot but if the EPA estimates don't pan out then it's not worth trading in my 94 XJ which gets 17-18 average and 20-21 on the highway. I will just wait till its ready to be replaced (which might be another 10 years :D ).

Any one have real world numbers they are willing share? It would make me very happy.

Limited 4 X 4, CVTI: Recently completed road-trip from mid-Missouri to Southern Utah. Observed hwy mileage range was 27-28 MPG. Exceeded my expectations. I was even carrying a Thule cargo bag on top.

I've been steadily getting higher MPG since the weather has warmed up. Once we were into the 60 plus degree range, I was seeing 24 MPG plus on a 2.4 CVT2 FDI Patriot on my commute. Before that when temps were in the 40s, I was getting 20 to 22.

I am also at 2500 miles so break in may be contributing to the higher mileage.

Limited 4 X 4, CVTI: Recently completed road-trip from mid-Missouri to Southern Utah. Observed hwy mileage range was 27-28 MPG. Exceeded my expectations. I was even carrying a Thule cargo bag on top.


CVTI?

That should have been Limited CVTII, FDI.

An additional bit of information regarding rough road capability: I drove some pretty gnarly back roads in southern Utah (deep sand, wet clay, gullies, and uneven slick rock) and the Patriot performed beautifully. Again, it exceeded expectations. The ground clearance and approach/departure met the challenge.

We did the Moab thing last summer with the Wrangler. Awesome time! I'd be hesitant to do it with my FDI, but that may be more out of fear of bottoming it out on something. It would definitely be a more comfortable drive out (1900 miles) there in a Patriot than with a Wrangler!

I've been searching the forum for about an hour now and I can't see to find discussion/numbers on actual observed fuel mileage for the Patriot. Am I missing a thread? I found only one mention of actual numbers. I'm interested in a Patriot but if the EPA estimates don't pan out then it's not worth trading in my 94 XJ which gets 17-18 average and 20-21 on the highway. I will just wait till its ready to be replaced (which might be another 10 years :D ).

Any one have real world numbers they are willing share? It would make me very happy.

There is a discussion of fuel economy under the engine/drivetrain section

Limited 4x4 w/CVT FDI... haven't had extensively highway driving, but city has been 23mpg and getting higher with each fill-up. I expect to get close to 30 on the highway.

We took our Limited (FDI) on a 300 mile trip on Thursday/Friday. On the way there, we bucked 20-plus MPH headwinds with an outside temperature of 29F. The Patriot averaged 22.8 MPG.

On the way back, the results were much better. No wind, temperature was still 29, but averaged 27.6 MPG.

Mostly interstate highway with a speed of 70 mph.