Okay, who is buying one first?

http://www.rocky-road.com/patriot.html

I'd like to see the lift with a set of stock tires/wheels so you can really get an idea of what it will look like...

Nice price too!

How does this lift NOT effect your CVs? Can someone explain that in technical terms?

It now says it is on sale for $285 through November 30th....

Cool! I'm too chicken to be the first, second, or even 10th but I can't wait to see those who are more adventureous!

If you're all to chicken how about everyone through in $20 each and send a box of bits across to me in Australia,

I'll have a go!

I was the first. no need to be afraid. My Jeep still runs great!!!

Rockrails are out as well!

http://www.rocky-road.com/rockrail.html

I was the first. no need to be afraid. My Jeep still runs great!!!

If you are ever bored, how 'bout take a pic of your lifted pat with the stock tires/wheels!?!? It's hard to tell how much it is lifted (over stock) with the new tires on there...also, what size tires are on yours now?

me buy it now !! i wait to receve the kit

if i buy this who can install this for me? where should i go ? how much would they charge?

Just ordered lift, will post how it goes. Give it a couple of weeks to get here and install.

I'd love to jack the Patriot off the ground (especially by 2"+), seeing as the mud flaps can't even clear curbs at the moment. :(

Just curious how easy this would be to install on my own, though. Seems like a fair price, it comes out to a total of ~$330 with shipping to Canada.

Will this lift kit work with the 4x4 as well? Or are you still developing it?

both the sliders and lift kit claim "bolt on".

.......exactly what does that entail?

If you are ever bored, how 'bout take a pic of your lifted pat with the stock tires/wheels!?!? It's hard to tell how much it is lifted (over stock) with the new tires on there...also, what size tires are on yours now?

I don't have the stock tires anymore, but what I can try to do is take a picture of my Jeep next to a stock one. I definately sit up higher and have better clearance. I put 225/75/16's on my Jeep and my wheels are 16x8. I hear you can also put 235/70/16's on with no problem.

if i buy this who can install this for me? where should i go ? how much would they charge?

I believe les schwab can install lifts. Also, Big O Tires. I am sure any of those shops can do it with the instructions. Seem like they are simple instructions to follow, but I wouldn't know since Rocky Road did mine.

^^
thank u sir.

OK I will be the first I just purchase mine.

I would love to see some pics when you guys get this installed...

Whats a good website to get rims and tires??? is it possible to keep the stock rims and get taller tires with the lift?

yeah, but the stock rims I think are 16x6 so you can have taller ones, they just won't be as wide.

Does the lift void the Warranty?

Does the lift void the Warranty?

this is right from the website site "We get asked alot about vehicle warranty. While each dealership has their own interpretation (some will sell a Jeep lifted and heavily modified right off the showroom floor, others freak out at the idea of even changing out your floor matts), the rule of thumb is that only the parts modified are affected by warranty. By leaving your factory suspension intact and only adding to the outside of your struts/springs/shocks, you haven't altered the parts to affect their performance. You get a fantastic looking Jeep AND get to keep your factory service warranty."
So according to them it shouldn't void anything.

I am still awaiting an email back from them. I need to know if this lift is ok with the trail rated version of the Patriot. has anyone figured out what jeep did to create the extra 1inch on this model? Because if this lift works it'll be pretty sweet to have 3inchs of lift over a stock 4x2

this is right......
has anyone figured out what jeep did to create the extra 1inch on this model? Because if this lift works it'll be pretty sweet to have 3inchs of lift over a stock 4x2

I have read somewhere that half of the +1inch lift on the trail rated version comes from the larger tires 215/65-17...and I would assume the other half inch comes from taller springs?

If someone wanted to check the part numbers on the springs for the regular 4x4 and the trail rated 4x4...see if they are different...if they are, then that's probably it.

The stock 4x2 and 4x4 tires are 205/70-16 (or 27.3” tall).
The stock limited tires are 215/60-17 (or 27.2” tall).
The stock trail rated tires are 215/65-17 (or 28” tall).

I just bought mine! Supercoolio. My T/A KO's will look sweeter now, and when they wear out, I'll put a bigger wheel/tire package on it. Yes!!

yeah, but the stock rims I think are 16x6 so you can have taller ones, they just won't be as wide.


So, do you have anything "bad" to say about this lift??

- No vibs coming from the CVs? (at low and high speeds?)
- Does is still track and ride smooth?
- Any weird noises post-lift?
- Does the strut assemble look funny with the lift on? i.e. can you see the strut spacer if you were to glance into the wheel well? Are they painted black?
- No bad castor or camber angles post-lift?
- Do the CVs look like they are binding or maxed out?
- I wonder what the estimated CV life will be with the lift on?

*BREAK*
- The "2.25" inch lift seems like an exact number...i wonder how they determined that? Was 2.5 inches too much? Why not offer a 1 inch lift too?
- Man, I would really like to see some 225/75-16 BFG MTs on a lifted Pat!!!

If there is one thing I've noticed after reviewing Rocky Road's website, they don't push the limits on things. I don't know who the best company is out there for lifts and modifications, but I bet these guys have learned their lessons.

They basically will tell you that anymore lift on a particular vehicle will start to cause problems, hence, they make the lift for the Patriot 2.25" vs. 2.5" or 3".

I'm just tickled that a guy would test and determine these things, and follow through with it even though it isn't the popular decision.

Also, I believe Glenn mentioned that he created the lift in such away that it wouldn't interfere with the various angles, the amount of extension, ect.

Word of caution, downer opinions and hearsay follows,

I would worry about buying such a product from them because they do not seem very involved here.

They release a new product that could have catastrophic consequences if something is not right, yet they have not shown up to answer any questions at all. They know they have a whole web site of people here ready to pounce on their product and ask questions.


**Warning Internet Hearsay follows**
Between this forum and another Patriot forum I have read 3 different people proclaim that Rocky Road is not the best company to deal with for various reasons. (And I am putting their words mildly)
Of course MAC III seems to have had a relatively positive experience with them, so maybe that is all that should matter here.

I don't think there is anything "downer" about being cautious. I've read those reviews as well.

We aren't talking about a big name company like Amazon... Really, how many times do you buy a lift in your life? So in reality, how many of these lifts will they ever sell? A couple thousand? Maybe over the course of 5 years.

The point being, its hard to judge small companies that make specialty products because there aren't enough people giving feedback. Two or three clowns who complain about anything could really hurt a company's reputation when only 1000 people buy the lift, and 10% talk about them. On the flipside, we might not be hearing about all the problems, because some people just get rid of the product and don't say a thing about it.

Being skeptical and cautious is fine in my opinion.

The point being, its hard to judge small companies that make specialty products.

Very true.

That's why I look for these smaller companies to step up to the plate with more accessible customer support and superior community communication than large corporations have.

As it stands, unless RR is answering emails people are sending them, we have been left here to talk amongst ourselves and pick apart communications from various places and the past to answer current questions being asked.

:smiley_thumbs_up: From what I have personally seen, their products are good quality, fairly well thought out, occasionally innovative. I have never seen problems in the use of their products, either design or construction.
:BLAM: From my experiance, they shoot themselves in the foot with the customer service. I would order from them again (Patriot is not here yet), but I wouldn't expect it to arrive fast....

I showed Dean the lift kit pix and he really dug it... could a high-rise Riot be in our future?!?! :p

anyone say if possible to put 235-70 on 17"rim stock 4x4

or if it is too wide for the widened stock rim?

i think im going to order mine today or some time this week

So, do you have anything "bad" to say about this lift??

- No vibs coming from the CVs? (at low and high speeds?)
- Does is still track and ride smooth?
- Any weird noises post-lift?
- Does the strut assemble look funny with the lift on? i.e. can you see the strut spacer if you were to glance into the wheel well? Are they painted black?
- No bad castor or camber angles post-lift?
- Do the CVs look like they are binding or maxed out?
- I wonder what the estimated CV life will be with the lift on?

*BREAK*
- The "2.25" inch lift seems like an exact number...i wonder how they determined that? Was 2.5 inches too much? Why not offer a 1 inch lift too?
- Man, I would really like to see some 225/75-16 BFG MTs on a lifted Pat!!!

The only thing I have noticed is that at a certain speed the steering wheel will get a little loose, but thats it. No other changes from what I have notice.

Kit just came in today. When I get my Jeep out of the body shop, I will start the lift install.

I spoke to the Jeep dealer, and they said when I get my kit, they will install it for me. I'm going to go that way, because if there is a problem, one thing they can't blame me for is improper install, and I want to give my local dealer some experience on the install for other owners wanting the same lift. Going to be sweet I hope. :)

wow that's really cool tell us how it goes and for how much? smart move to have the dealer do it oh and pics would be great

I like the black grill guards better than the chrome but just personal preference

3days left to receive my lift kit package!!

I spoke to the Jeep dealer, and they said when I get my kit, they will install it for me. I'm going to go that way, because if there is a problem, one thing they can't blame me for is improper install, and I want to give my local dealer some experience on the install for other owners wanting the same lift. Going to be sweet I hope. :)

Wow, your dealer impresses me. Most wouldn't do that!

The only thing I have noticed is that at a certain speed the steering wheel will get a little loose, but thats it. No other changes from what I have notice.

can you further explain "certain speed"
high (80+), low (15-), etc?

Can you take some before / after pics for us and leave the stock wheels/tires on?

Received my lift kit I am very impress with the quality of the parts. Did not expect all the extra parts in the kit…it is so complete. Rocky-Road can’t be making very much off the kit if any. I will take some pic of the kit later tonight.

looks cool .. and not that expensive either ... I'm a little nervous about doing it on a lease tho.

i've decided im not going to buy the lift, take that $300 and put it 2wards a second cheap 4x4 and make that a trail rig

Kai,
Certain speed is when I hit the 80 mark, but I still have full control.

^thanks

Received my lift kit I am very impress with the quality of the parts. Did not expect all the extra parts in the kit…it is so complete. Rocky-Road can’t be making very much off the kit if any. I will take some pic of the kit later tonight.

Remember...take before/after pics!!!

I was wondering if someone could upload the included installation instructions and/or photos of the lift kit parts themselves... Just to see what we are all in for prior to installing....

Thanks

I will Im starting mine tonight

Great I can't wait to see the photos and a review on its installation... I am stationed in Germany and have limited time and tools so this will be a minor deciding factor for the future of my Patriot.

I receive my kit, and install this week

I'm ready to see some more pics of this installed on a stock Pat. And I need some more testimony. :pepper:

I have more pic but this is it for now. The back is a ½ inch higher than the front but I believe it will level out when it get the alignment.:rockon:

That looks good, I am starting to regret that I Leased mine.....

I like the looks. Even the stock wheels don't look bad with the lift. Let us know how it goes after the allignment.

Wow that looks great. I'll definitely consider lifting my Patriot (probably next summer)... It would be really nice to lift it so that the mud-flaps would actually be able to clear curbs. ;) Was it easy to install?

Thanks for the photos dude!

I decided to help out a little by making a shot that has goebel1's before and after shots in one photo for a better comparison. I must say I am really considering go up... but will be very interested to see if it does indeed level out after the alignment or just driving it a bit.

NICE!! :pepper:

Thanks for sharing pics. That looks pretty good!

Could someone that installs this set-up provide DIY step-by-step pictures too? I think it would be helpful for the members on this board to either tackle the installation themselves or just have a better appreciation for this product!

You should go to rock road and ask them. I don’t think it is fair to the vendor give out this information just yet. Let the guy recoup some of his money before all the copy cat tries’s to duplicate him.

I can tell you it was not hard to do. But I am mechanically inclined. Simple hand tools, stands and a jack will get it done. If you have done a lift before it will be a breeze to you guys.

If someone has the pics then maybe they could pm them to whoever wants them rather than posting step by step pics. Helps Rocky Road keep there lift from being copied.

wow that red pat looks great, would it be too much to ask for a vid of ur new lifted pat just to get a 360 look of the pat and on the road etc.

its good to see another lifted Pat out there. Is yours driving pretty good too?

I have not driven it much yet... still needs an alignment. It seems to drive just the same as stock.

Looks pretty sweet...but just to clarify, this lift will not work with the 4WD FDII options, correct?

I was told YES by the sale rep at Rocky Road. I just call and ask to make sure I have the right lift on mine. It seems to be fine no complaints yet. But I am confused that there asking for a 4x4 donor Pat??? The rep says it was all taken care of in the new kit.

I was told YES by the sale rep at Rocky Road. I just call and ask to make sure I have the right lift on mine. It seems to be fine no complaints yet. But I am confused that there asking for a 4x4 donor Pat??? The rep says it was all taken care of in the new kit.

The post where they're asking for a donor 4x4 Patriot to work on is an old post.

OHH that’s a relief THANKS ALOT

Mine comes on Wednesday, installing it this weekend or next week. Really looking forward to having the first lifted Riot here in Edmonton. MAC, you put 235/75/R16's on yours right? Did you have to play with backspacing or anything, im thinking of going with 225/75R16's to get an inch of lift or 215/85/R16's to get an inch and a half, I want to be sure they'll fit. I'd be a quarter inch higher than you but 3/4's narrower which makes me think i should be ok. Have you had any rubbing under load?

Having 3 and 5/8 of lift instead of two would be nice.

Hey
I put 225/75/16's on my jeep and get absolutley no rubbing. The backspacing on mine i believe is 4" But i'll double check to be sure. When yours is done, post the pics. I think it will look sweet!

Ok I have confirmed...my rims are 16x7 with a 0 offset and 4" backspacing on 5x4.5 bolt pattern.

Got my alignment today Jeep drives great. I drive thought 20 miles of hills and winding roads to go to work. It handles just as if it was stock. I drive 30 to 80 mph. I did not follow the alignment spec that was recommended by rocky-road. The alignment guy said if I did it that way it would eat up my tires. So I did it his way. (TIME WILL TELL).

Go to "Gallery" then "Modifications". I just posted a pic of my Black 08 fd2 with lift next to a 4*4 Liberty.

Go to "Gallery" then "Modifications". I just posted a pic of my Black 08 fd2 with lift next to a 4*4 Liberty.

NICE.

Is there anyway you can post more and better (better = i.e. hi res) pics into the thread? :pepper:

Are those the stock tires on there?

Hi mearnest
I had read somewhere-I never confirmed this- that the FDII got its additional one inch of lift from a strut top spacer. When you installed the lift, did the spacer rocky road supplied go on top of the existing spacer or did it replace it? Could you please measure the height of the fender lip to the ground front and rear? Thanks, Jeff

If I get the Rocky Road Lift and add the Rocky Road Supersliders how much clearance will I lose from the lift?

All,

If you have recently lifted your patriot -- can you post some good hi-res pics for us?

thanks.

UPS lost my kit. Now i have to wait for them to find it.

I ordered the kit as soon as it arrives and I get installed, I'll post pics

Looks slick. My Patriot really needs the added testosterone.

Any chance one of you guys with a lifted FDII model could actually go off-road and snap a pic instead of doing so on pavement?

I have more pic but this is it for now. The back is a ½ inch higher than the front but I believe it will level out when it get the alignment.:rockon:

It looks good. Is your Patriot 4WD, and, if so, FD1 or FDII? It looks like you have the 17 inch alloys. What size tires do you have?

Thanks in advance. :)

Will the Rocky Road lift fit a 4x2?

Grubhoggie--
the 4x2 is where they got the specs for the lift. And yes, it works. Mine was the prototype and I have a 4x2.

1.Factory spacers?-No factory spacers! 2.Tires?-Stock! 3.Off-Road Pics?- I wish I had the time! 4.FDII!
Any boby have any pics of lifted FDII with 8" wide wheels and some large tires?

I got the lift installed this weekend.
I did it all myself and it took me about 5 hours once I got going. I also took a few breaks so it really only took about 4 hours. It was really easy and I am not a wrench monkey. The lift looks good and seems higher than 2.25 inches. I left the stock tires on 205/70 16 inch. I will change them out when the tires wear out. I have to get the alignment done but I may have gotten lucky because I can't tell that it needs it. I haven't heard any strange noises yet and have driven back and forth to work for 2 days now. The ride is the exact same and the mpg seem to be identical.
The only thing I would add to the instructions would be exactly what tools will be needed such as wrench/ratchet size and hammer to remove a few bolts. This way you could have all the tools ready to go instead of having to figure out what you need as you go. And a few extra instructions about having to remove the brake cable from the front strut (nothing big here) and the bottom bolt from the brake housing from the rear lower control arm to get the rear strut out (and disconnecting the rear anti-sway bar). I had to use the jack to compress the strut to get the lower control arm to align with the brake housing to put the bolt back in. Like I said I am not a wrench monkey so I may have called something the wrong name but I got it to go relatively easily. I am really pleased with the quality of the lift components and I like the rear upper control arms that come with the lift -they are a lot better than the stock ones. They are beefier.

My lift came today. I hope I do better getting it on , than I did getting the super-charger on the Camaro. I bought the 02 Camaro new, got the super-charger 2 months later, traded the Camaro for the Patriot. The super-charger is still under the desk. Each time I started to install it , gas prices would jump up, and 200 hp is cheaper to feed than 327 hp.

Let us know how it goes and don't forget the pics when done :)
Rich

Just spoke with the service department at my dealership today and they agreed to install the lift and align it for about $600. They said the warranty will only be voided on parts affected by the kit (pretty much what we've already heard) I've never dealt with a lift before, is that a good deal? Seems steep to me. That's gonna put the whole process at about $900 before changing the tires. What does the forum think?

That sounds like a lot. I usually buy a lifetime alignment policy at one of the chain tire shops, since I keep cars a long time. You might get one of them to give you a price on installing the kit. You also might consider getting a copy of the lift kit installation instructions to see if it sounds like something you and/or some friends might tackle.

Keep us posted. :)

Just spoke with the service department at my dealership today and they agreed to install the lift and align it for about $600. They said the warranty will only be voided on parts affected by the kit (pretty much what we've already heard) I've never dealt with a lift before, is that a good deal? Seems steep to me. That's gonna put the whole process at about $900 before changing the tires. What does the forum think?

Sigpnut,

Send a message to CJs07RIOT. He just finished installing a lift kit on his Patriot and he an a friend did it. Could save you some big bucks....:)

good 4x4 shop will charge about 1/2 of that.

Thanks for the info!

Sigpnut - unless you just don't have any wrenches, hydraulic jack, and jack stands and a friend, you can get someone else to do it but it really wasn't that hard and will be rewarding to say you did it yourself. I think $600 to install it is a bit high for someone who has car lifts and airtools (which would make the process go a lot faster). Rocky Road has this type of stuff and say they can do it in an hour, which with the proper tools I believe. I guess what I am saying is I think it is cheaper to just buy a friend some beer to be there for any support while you put the lift on instead of paying $600 for one hour's worth of work. Yes it took me a few hours to put mine on but I was working by myself and lifting one end of the vehicle at a time and I don't work on cars for a living.

It really isn’t that hard to do. Don’t forget the 4Wheel Alignment

If I install it myself how do I go about doing the alignment? I am mechanically inferior mind you.

I installed my kit last night and made a good list of tools needed for each step. I took a ton of pictures too. will post once I can access from my computer (using the cell phone right now). Kit was easy to install.took about 4 hours but we messed around for about 1.5 of that. got my new tires todayand went to get the alignment done but kal-tire tried to screw.what are people paying for the alignment? they complained about the alignment on the back with the new controlarms. I am wondering what othersare paying (andwherethey are getting them done) so I dont over pay. the LT225/75-R16 BFG all terrains look awesome too.

I paid 65.00 for 4 wheel alignment

The dealer was $90 and it was by appointment. The first Saturday they didn't get it quite dialed in. Took it back the next Saturday and left it the whole day. Only 1 mechanic on weekends plus the lub and oil guys.

kal-tire told me 80 bucks then tried to change it to hourly when they looked at it. 2 or 3 hours at 100 an hour. maybe I should do the dealership. did you guys go with stock alignment orthe rockyroad specs?

that lift looks nice on goebel1's patriot!!!

Here's a pic of my riot all lifted with the new tires.

quiff69: You use liberty stock rim? big picture?

Yeah, a guy was selling 5 rims for 200 bucks. Couldn't say no. I am going to burn off the stock rubber in the summer, wanted new rims so im not switching the rubber back and forth all the time. It gets expensive.

How do i post a big picture? it limited me to that size.

no problem with fiting the liberty rim? no rub in a full hard turn on the inside of the fender? or others? what is the offset of this wheel? its 16x7"

The tires rub a little. From the research i did it looks like the liberty rim and the patriot rim have the same width and spacing.

I went with the BFG A/T's at a LT225/75R16 so thats why they rub. Nothing to complain about though, its fairly minor. Im going to look at adding a 1/4 inch spacer behing the rim to bring the rubber out a little bit and give it a meaner look (hopefully anyways).

did you have the 225/17R16 before the lift?

Nope.

Anybody know of a bigger lift available for the patriot?

I like the one from Rocky Road Outfitters, but just curious to know if there is something bigger out there. (I have done some searching and haven't found anything over 2.25")

Thanks for the help.

to the best of my knowledge BACKINBLACK no... In fact the only lift I know of for the Patriots is this one by Rocky Road... If anyone knows any differently let me know.

quiff, what did your dealer say about the lift affecting your powertrain warranty?

I'm picking up my patriot tomorrow, but I'm thinking maybe I'll have the dealer install the lift to avoid any warranty issues.

anybody else have any problems with adding a lift and negative affect on the warranty?

Exciting news.......................
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I went to rocky road's site and saw nothing about a lift kit just a picture of a patriot and pictures of rock sliders and other stuff. How do I see the lift kit and the price? Did I miss something?

Follow this link: http://www.rocky-road.com/patriotsus.html

Metalhead, click this link and scroll to the bottom and hit the "add to cart" button

http://www.rocky-road.com/patriotsus.html

:doh: oops. Should have refreshed the web page before I sent that last one.

i think i asked this before, but has anyone heard of, or seen, a spring spacer for the MK's that will just give an additional 1 1/2 to 2" of lift? i really don't want to get too crazy...just like to go up a couple sizes on tires and go with the 225/75R16 BFG Mud Terrains on Rubicon wheels!!! i think they would look wicked......:D


did you have the 225/17R16 before the lift?

btw....what size is THIS tire anyway? i've never seen a '17' series tire. that must be REALLY 'lo-profile', huh? :wow:

:doh:

doh! ...that should have been 225/75

thanks for catching that one

Jeepster55,
Here are a couple of links to a "spacer type lift" for struts. I'm not sure if ours can be disasembled in the clevis area. I'll look today! I know from working on a hitch install yesterday, that there is about 5/8" of stud sticking out ot the top strut mount nuts. I would like to have a drawing or a sketch of that top plate. This would be very easy to fab a spacer to sit on top. As long is it does not exceed the thickness of the leftover stud clearance I was talking about. Also, from reading over on the host site for these links, it is not a 1:1 ratio when adding spacers to the strut. I dought if it is 2:1, but anything over a inch would be good, don't you think? Is there anyway you can get a drawing?
hvac59


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