I am just wondering that with the success of the Liberty CRD and the 2009 50 state Grand Cherookee CRD on the cusp....how much extra would you pay for that Diesel option if it was available? $2,000 even $5000?
Im curious.....what do you think?

Across the pond in the UK, the Patriot CRD is only 1,000 pounds more than the 2.4 liter petrol engine.

How about a hybrid Pat?!

With the current exchange rate, I am willing to pay 2,029.55 US Dollars extra for a CRD. With 41 to 50 mpg I would not be able to pass it up. What would it take for us to be able to do that ?

How about a hybrid Pat?!

What would you crossbreed it with? Yeah, I know what you mean. :p

What would you crossbreed it with? Yeah, I know what you mean. :p

HA!

Imagine a Patriot Transformer... more than meets the eye :p

P.S. Have you seen that movie?! Greatest special effects I've ever seen, hands down!

Meg is it my imagination or am I almost always under you or on top? I guess mostly under. As for Transformers the movie, I'm a DVD guy. Did we get way off topic or what? How about like a Scorpion Patriot?

100,000 miles / 25mpg (gas) = 4000gal @ $3/gal = $12,000 (@$4.50/gal - $18,000)

100,000 miles / 40mpg (diesel) = 2500gal @ $3.50/gal = $8,750 (@5.00/gal - $12,500)

100,000 miles / 50mpg (diesel hybrid) = 2000gal @ $3.50/gal = $7,000 (@$5/gal - $10,000)

Difference between the gas and diesel versions in fuel costs - $3250, assuming gas doesn't go up any more... $5500 if it does...

I personally would have paid up to about $5,000 more for a biodiesel-capable Patriot, since there's a good supply locally and it only costs a few cents more than regular diesel. Would have been willing to pay $7,000 more for a biodiesel hybrid.

Regular diesel (non-bio capable), hmm, I'd probably only have paid $1,000-$2,000 more for.

The hybrid and diesel hwy miles will be very close in real life. The hybrid will do much better city. The other cost about 5 years down the road is the battery pack replacement???

I will not buy another gas vehicle most likely...just doesn't make any sense for what I need to drive. The patriot with the 2.0L or 2.2L turbo diesel would be quite a ride as long as they ditch the CVT for a real auto or stick.

Meg is it my imagination or am I almost always under you or on top? I guess mostly under.

Nice innuendo, pally... HA!!! :p

I am just wondering that with the success of the Liberty CRD and the 2009 50 state Grand Cherookee CRD on the cusp....how much extra would you pay for that Diesel option if it was available? $2,000 even $5000?
Im curious.....what do you think?


the way its priced in Australia

5spd 2.4l base
cvt 2.4l add $2000
CRD 2.0l Add $4000

the crd will pay for itself very quickly as gets over 30% better fuel economy
very pleased finally get a look in with the CRD - if you get it with the off road package will be an awesome machine :smiley_thumbs_up:

I would LOVE to have a diesel Patriot.

I had a diesel station wagon in Germany, and that was the best car I've ever had. Broke my heart to leave it behind...

100,000 miles / 25mpg (gas) = 4000gal @ $3/gal = $12,000 (@$4.50/gal - $18,000)

100,000 miles / 40mpg (diesel) = 2500gal @ $3.50/gal = $8,750 (@5.00/gal - $12,500)

100,000 miles / 50mpg (diesel hybrid) = 2000gal @ $3.50/gal = $7,000 (@$5/gal - $10,000)

Difference between the gas and diesel versions in fuel costs - $3250, assuming gas doesn't go up any more... $5500 if it does...

I personally would have paid up to about $5,000 more for a biodiesel-capable Patriot, since there's a good supply locally and it only costs a few cents more than regular diesel. Would have been willing to pay $7,000 more for a biodiesel hybrid.

Regular diesel (non-bio capable), hmm, I'd probably only have paid $1,000-$2,000 more for.

Any diesel engine should be able to run biodiesel up to B20 without any modification, you shouldn't need to pay anymore over top of the regular diesel price.

There are even Dodge truck owners with the 5.9 Cummins running B100 with no complications except for gelling in cold temps, which can happen with regular diesel too.

Any diesel engine should be able to run biodiesel up to B20 without any modification, you shouldn't need to pay anymore over top of the regular diesel price.

There are even Dodge truck owners with the 5.9 Cummins running B100 with no complications except for gelling in cold temps, which can happen with regular diesel too.

but would need modifications to run it in colder weather,
hence a hybrid biodiesel would make sense,
warm weather run the bio,
colder weather run the alternative

B20 isn't biodiesel in my mind... it's a petroleum blend... at minimum I'd want it to be able to burn 80% if not 100% bio...

A lot of folks in my area run B100 with no problem year-round in their newer VW diesels as it very seldom gets colder than 20F. Some have to switch over to 75-80% blends in the winter, but that's still a lot less petroleum being burned than with B20.

Diesel typically provides a thirty percent improvement over gas largely because there is more "energy" in diesel than in gas. So, even when gassers finally catch-up to diesel with direct injection, they will still never see the economy of diesel. But, don't limit your perspective to only the fuel economy. Diesel engines provide a tremendous amount of torque in the lower RPM ranges and this just makes driving a modern turbo diesel just plain fun ... as in grin factor.

If statements made by GM's President are any indication, they seem only interested in the larger vehicles getting diesels. Two reasons for that,
1. Give there truck fleet a better CAFE rating.
2. They make bigger profit on larger trucks and suv's
So that seems to be where they are going to put Diesels first.

Gah, typical American automaker idiocy.

Consumers want hybrids - Toyota builds hybrids

Consumers want reliable small sedans - Honda builds Civics

Consumers want long warranties - Hyundai & Kia offer 5/60 bumper-to-bumper

Consumers want CRD in a small affordable package - GM tells them to screw off, and that GM is going to do what GM wants to do, consumer be damned.

Your right, The American way isn't always the best way, especially when it comes to conservation. Why is the rest of the world using smaller turbo diesel engines in all of their cars and shelfing the gas motor, because they can't get fuel as cheap as we can, and they have much more strict laws governing fuel consumption and a tax for those who neglect it.

A Diesel Jeep Patriot with a six speed transmission and a "Granny Gear" option for the Trail Rated version would be the best thing this auto maker could do in the market right now, but they think with their wallet and not their head. Don't get me wrong, the Patriot was a huge step in the right direction for this company, and they needed it because Toyota was about to clean up the Small SUV market with that Rav4, luckily they brought Pat out just in time when the fuel crunch hit again, and also made it with a 5 Spd, unlike Toyota and gave it off road capability, which I can personally vouch for, and 4 of my closest friends :)

Oh where Oh where is the smart auto company going to be...............anyone want to start a car company that specializes in compact SUV's with off-road capabilities that actually COME with a 5/6 Speed, get 35-45 MPG and can take you 300,000 miles before you even need to start looking at a new ride. Oh and has a auto transmission that actually has a transmission and can be flat towed over the road. Who's with me?? I might be able to fund it..........maybe. :D

Had my CRD PAT now for 5 days

had 1/2 a tank when I got it - done 200k and still1/4 tank left averaging 7.8l per 100k

the car is so smooth and so much power you just blow away others at the lights and just pulls up hills in any gear your in

are they worth the extra ...absolutely

Had my CRD PAT now for 5 days

had 1/2 a tank when I got it - done 200k and still1/4 tank left averaging 7.8l per 100k

the car is so smooth and so much power you just blow away others at the lights and just pulls up hills in any gear your in

are they worth the extra ...absolutely

How much extra, if you don't mind me asking? ;)

Why is the rest of the world using smaller turbo diesel engines in all of their cars and shelfing the gas motor,

Because other countries don't have an EPA mandating stupid emissions levels for diesels.




because they can't get fuel as cheap as we can, and they have much more strict laws governing fuel consumption and a tax for those who neglect it.


Other countries pay exactly the same price for a barrel of oil as the US, and to my knowledge, no other country has specific fuel economy requirements like the US (CAFE). Just goes to show how government meddling in the free market system has screwed up the US auto industry.

How much extra, if you don't mind me asking? ;)


Pricing in OZ

base model 5spd manual petrol(gas)
cvt petrol extra add $2000
CRD 6spd manual add $2000

so $4000 over base model - can get that back in about 6 months if doing 20000k per year

taking ours for a longer drive on the weekend and we have a holiday for a horse race here in early november so planning on doing a 1500k trip that week - will report back after each run

PS your govt are conning you - the crd's all meet emissions - govt must have oil ownership maybe your president :(

How about a hybrid Pat?!

I would like to see a Hybrid Pat, I'm sure a diesel Pat would come out quicker. Hybrids are good because they do better in the city than on the highway. In turn if you live in an urban area it's a real good purchase. However, diesels get better gas mileage across the board and diesel fuel is not that more expensive than unleaded petrol.

dtocks

My CRD PAt was made in USA - engine is on commission from VW as a engine deal done by Damiler chrysler

so crd's are here - someone go and order one in the US

dtocks

My CRD PAt was made in USA - engine is on commission from VW as a engine deal done by Damiler chrysler

so crd's are here - someone go and order one in the US

Unfortunately we can't get them in the U.S. yet. The only diesel that Jeep sells in the U.S. is the 3.0 G/C. Of coarse they charge you $3,000 extra for the engine, and you can't get it in the base model. So by the time your finished, you've bought a $36,000 car...For now, I'll stick with my PAT.

I have averaged 36mpg so far but I guess that is because it has only done 195 miles and so things are tight.
It's a shame there is on option to read trip MPGs to avoid having to reset the cumulative everytime you set off

As the owner since July 27th 2007 of a red Patriot and diesel I can confirm that I regularly return 44 to 45 MPG, remembering though that the gallon is bigger in the UK than the US.

I paid in the region of £20800 for my car with eveything possible i.e 6 cd changer and 458watt system. Also have that damned sunroof that leaks like a sieve! Just been picked up today by the garage to check out the problem.

The dash had a strange intermittent 'buzz' which is now confirmed as water contamination to the electrics from this leaking sunroof.

Basically the sunroof is too small for the aperture.

Paint quality is an issue as is the build quality. Touch your door against another car and I do mean 'touch' and you leave your paint behind!

My car arrived with dents in the roof, yes dents in the roof! God knows (who ever he is) how this car made it through inspections. Gone in again for this same problem with a complaint to Jeep hq in Milton Keynes.

There is something seriously wrong with this vehicle of mine as I have road noise and transmission rumble with vibration from 1200rpm right up to 4000rpm. A curtesy car same model but silver has none of these problems.

Anyway I digress from your posting......the diesel is a powerful VW engine and when on turbo rockets along very nicely. Come off turbo and the MPG drops right back to good old 45mpg again

I would like to see a Hybrid Pat, I'm sure a diesel Pat would come out quicker. Hybrids are good because they do better in the city than on the highway. In turn if you live in an urban area it's a real good purchase. However, diesels get better gas mileage across the board and diesel fuel is not that more expensive than unleaded petrol.

It wouldn't make much sense to have a hybrid Patriot. Diesel is the only way to go for the Patriot. The reason for this is that even though you can buy a 4wd Toyota highlander hybrid, the manual says not for off road use. The reason why you can't take hybrids off road is because the regenerative braking systems can't take the abuse that going off road would give it. Without the braking system it defeats the in-city mileage advantage that hybrids have. Taking a fuel efficient Patriot off road is half the fun. Save the hybrid systems for the compass.

innuendo...an Italian Enima