Okay, I just finished a 10 hour head to toe inside and out detailing of my patriot using Turtle Wax Ice Clay Bar Kit, Turtle Wax Ice Liquid Polish, and Turtle Wax Ice Total Interior Spray.

First up was the Clay Bar. Fantastic like a eraser for all problems paint. Easily removed rail dust, asphalt stains and tar streaks, and all old wax. Lots of tedious hand work, but extremely effective. I give the clay bar kit only a "B" though because it comes with a car wash like "liquid," clay bar and a spray lubricant that was no better than soapy water. So only a "B" because I probably overpaid for extra junk. I do recommend a clay bar if your paint has similar issues, but if you can get the clay bar by itself from a different brand, I suggest going that way and using soapy water as a lubricant as you will have to wash the vehicle afterwards again before waxing.:)

Turtle Wax Liquid Polish. A+, absolutely brilliant product, super easy, super high gloss, can be wiped on just about anything from trim to door seals to tires, anything but glass although it claims it can do that too. This stuff easily wipes on, almost doesn't need to be buffed off. It is simple, easy, fast, and leaves a nice protective coating.:smiley_thumbs_up::smiley_thumbs_up: Easily worth the money and I only used a quarter bottle after putting on two heavy coats.

Turtle Wax Ice Total Interior Spray. Complete and total waste of money. This stuff was no better than water. Seriously it sucks and it is expensive. It says it is an all in one cleaner. I only had one dirt/grease mark on the light colored plastic in the cargo area and it didn't remove any of it. Ended up using the wifes magic eraser. The product gets a "D". Don't waste your money. Buy an empty squirt bottle and put water in it instead.:(

A+ for Windex Wipes too. This makes windows a breeze to do, and great for the headlamps and turn signals as well.

So to recap. Clay Bars are awesome if you need to remove impurities, rail dust, and tar/asphalt, but the Turtle Wax Kit might not be the best way to go $$wise. Turtle Wax Ice Liquid Polish is a tremdous product that I recommend to all. The Interior Spray is a big fat waste of money.

Clay bars are not a product that are very well known in UK, but I think I would be reluctant to use one on any car with a Clear coat finish, I tried TW Ice on my Caliber !! Not Impressed , Expensive waste , shine & beading only lasted about a week.

Clay bars arent really known about to most people on this side of the pond either. They are safe though, they just suck up tar, tree sap, bugs etc...

Let us know how long the wax lasts, I have a bum shoulder so waxing needs to be a once in awhile thing for me. At least its easy to remove, if it lasts a decent amount of time, I am looking for a new wax

Clay bars arent really known about to most people on this side of the pond either. They are safe though, they just suck up tar, tree sap, bugs etc...

Let us know how long the wax lasts, I have a bum shoulder so waxing needs to be a once in awhile thing for me. At least its easy to remove, if it lasts a decent amount of time, I am looking for a new wax

Yeah, I don't know. I will follow up with the durability report. If it makes it 2 months even then I am sold permanently. It is just that easy to put on that 30 minutes of work every couple months would be very acceptable, and I used alot, probably way more than I had to and still have 3/4 of a bottle left so there will be plenty of product for a years worth at a minimum as I can't do any waxing other than the car wash spray on wax during the many months of winter in the U.P. of Michigan.

Clay bar will be once a year max. It is quite the investment of time and muscle. The only part I didn't clay bar was the back 3/4 of the roof and the Ice still went on the roof beautifully so the clay bar isn't a prerequisite for the Ice.

I agree ice & clay bar. Just finished clay bar-ing the Jeep last week. Used 303 on the plastic parts.

I agree ice & clay bar. Just finished clay bar-ing the Jeep last week. Used 303 on the plastic parts.

Was that the first time you used ICE?

nope can check on an earlier thread. Doesn't leave much residue.

nope can check on an earlier thread. Doesn't leave much residue.

How long did it hold up?

not sure how long would these liqiud wax stay on

Turtle Wax liquid Claybar is absolutely terrible, IMO. I have a full bottle that was used once.

The ICE Polish, however, is half decent. It doesn't last more than a few days, but it's incredibly easy to use and looks good for the few days it survives!

I did not use liquid clay bar but the real clay. The ICE wax lasts about 60-90 days. Hard to tell as I tend to cover the Pat so it isn't roasted in the sun.

Thanks for the report, Kev. Similar experience I have regarding the detail spray lubes. Soapy water works best for me and it was to be quickly washed to remove any residual clay anyway. Not sure why it took you so long and it was labor intensive. It should not be so. I think it adds about 30 minutes to a hand wash and it should take much effort. Gentle rubs.

Please do report on the durability of the wax.

I still love this S100 pair (http://www.s100.com/s100_cw.htm). Available at any Harley Davidson stores for about $25/pair. Both are wipe on/wipe off. No drying, curing. Wax lasts about 5 months in the winter, 3 in the summer. I can do a coat of wax on the Jeep in 10 minutes.

Thanks for the report, Kev. Similar experience I have regarding the detail spray lubes. Soapy water works best for me and it was to be quickly washed to remove any residual clay anyway. Not sure why it took you so long and it was labor intensive. It should not be so. I think it adds about 30 minutes to a hand wash and it should take much effort. Gentle rubs.

Please do report on the durability of the wax.

I still love this S100 pair (http://www.s100.com/s100_cw.htm). Available at any Harley Davidson stores for about $25/pair. Both are wipe on/wipe off. No drying, curing. Wax lasts about 5 months in the winter, 3 in the summer. I can do a coat of wax on the Jeep in 10 minutes.

The entire detailing took forever, we are talking the mess of three boys, caked on salt, undercarriage work, engine and engine compartment cleaning, repainting the muffler, washing, clay barring, washing again, waxing, wheels, vacuuming, windows. We are talking every single nook and cranny including waxing the paint in the engine compartment and door wells.

Clay barring itself probably an hour and a half. It is labor intensive to remove all built up impurities quite a bit of rubbing and elbow grease to get rail dust and tar off. I can't envision clay barring in a half hour, no way, no how if done correctly. Waxing in 10 minutes? Not done right, at least not for me. If I only spent 40 minutes clay barring and waxing, it would be a real half-@$$ed job. If you can do it in that time frame more power to you and you are a better man than I.

I cannot do every product apply/remove in 10 minutes. Zaino takes about 10 minutes to apply and another 10 to remove once it cures for 6-36 hours. That's one of the primary reasons why I like S100. So easy to apply/remove and lasts as long as the best carnauba waxes on the market. The supplemental paint cleanser is about the same amount of time. Literally wipe on a body panel, and wipe it off with a towel. I don't have 12 hours to detail my vehicles every 3 months like I used to and I have to maintain 3-4. A little practice also helps. I can understand why clay would take a while if you have a lot of stuff to remove.

Wash N Wax , Supermarket own brand--Quick Buff up with Showroom Shine, Bought off TV shopping channel--Hand brush Mats , Wipe dash. Hour & a half Max!! Looks great & its a JEEP!!I dont even do this many times a year!! 10 hrs!!!!!! you gotta be kidding me????

Wash N Wax , Supermarket own brand--Quick Buff up with Showroom Shine, Bought off TV shopping channel--Hand brush Mats , Wipe dash. Hour & a half Max!! Looks great & its a JEEP!!I dont even do this many times a year!! 10 hrs!!!!!! you gotta be kidding me????

We got 270 inches of snow this winter and the entire winter was cold we are talking tons of salt, and up here we use pulverized mine tailings on the road to add grip and that stuff is full of trace metals that leads to tons of oxidation on the paint.

upkev, Does that mean you are changing your position on global warming :p

upkev, Does that mean you are changing your position on global warming :p

I realize your comment was tongue and cheek. My actual position is that we don't know what the future brings but there has been a strong warmer trend over the past three decades that seems to be in line with the first greenhouse theories. Seems to be a very general consenses among most scientists that the world is warming faster than normal, and that man made causes are largely responsible. We should pay attention and take common sense steps, and develop theoretical options incase it continues.

That is where the Turtle Wax Ice comes in, it can be applied in direct sunlight and turtle was says the more heat the better.

:D

And a nice shiny car will reflect back the sunlight and should in no small way reduce man's impact in global warming. Therefore we should all work towards keeping our Jeeps clean and shiny. :smiley_thumbs_up:

BTW, http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/ttiwwop.gif

or it didn't happen.

BTW, http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/ttiwwop.gif

or it didn't happen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The pat is shiny and silver didn't think a pic would add much, also he is in the shop getting a new door seal, a new tie rod, aligned, and leaves pulled out of the recirculation vent door, and a turn signal assembly replaced (full of condensation). All under warranty, not a penny out of pocket. Now, I am going to get some crap from jjg, but I don't care if someone calls this low build quality as long as Jeep stands behind it and fixes it, and they are. Except for the tie-rod being loose the rest are all minor issues.

The nice thing (or not so nice thing) about detailing every millimeter of the vehicle is you get a chance to find every little thing that needs attention:smiley_thumbs_up:

Great info.. Thanks for posting.

The ICE wax lasts about 60-90 days. Hard to tell as I tend to cover the Pat so it isn't roasted in the sun.

I'm skeptical of the 60-90 days.

IMO, Turtle wax Ice products don't last more than 1-2 rain storms. 60-90 days might be the case if your car is stored in a bubble!

I'm skeptical of the 60-90 days.

IMO, Turtle wax Ice products don't last more than 1-2 rain storms. 60-90 days might be the case if your car is stored in a bubble!


Thats what I thought about turtles products too. My father has had a tub in the garage since I just a young'n, so I always assumed T.W. wasn't the best.

off topic, but UPKEV's crazy marathon detail has me feeling pretty motivated. May be time to break out the clay bar and Swisvax.

I would spend that much time if I was using the old style Simonize or Blue Coral, with a hand buffing before(like I use to do when I was 14to16 when I waxed my moms 77 Diplomat or dads 78 Ramcharger.
Tom

Hey Hey Hey!

Jut browsing and my 2 cents (or whatever lesser denomination you may use in your part of the world) is...

Marathon detailing jobs: They are almost as long walks on the beach. Kidding aside, I personally go for the 8-10 hour long marathons once/twice a year. If you think about it, its exercise. Also, it's a great way to take your mind off of other problems and focus yourself in a creative way. Once you are done with your vehicle, its no longer a car/SUV or whatever it was you worked on... It is now a work of art. Oh, and a great way to get the wife and kids off your back for a day! (SLAP!!!! [sound of the wife smacking me in the back of the head!])

ICE: Used it and I agree it is an easy "wax on, wax off". You wont get enough work out of it to become the next karate kid. I like the product as a "maintenance" product between my twice a year heavy detailing.

Now, what does Uncle Kahbrohn (you may call me Kah if you like) use when he is in his masochistic moods? "Liquid Glass". I don't know if you have had any experience with this particular product and would like to hear comments.

I once read hat a rule of thumb is that the more expensive the wax/polish is, the better it is in the long run. Don't know if this is true since I know of $100/bottle products out there I will never buy but, I will say that at about $17-18 per can of this stuuf, a little manly "wax on, wax off" (it's really not all that bad to take off), and some good maintenace in between marathons and you have a vehicle looking like new all year long.

One thing I have noticed with Liquid Glass is this. It tends to look better after a car wash or two after applying it. I live in Puerto Rico where salt is in the air 24/7/365 and directlt attacking your paint job. This product has preserved a few vehicles for me just nice. Also take into consideration we average about 86 degrees year round so sun baking the vehicle is a part of life.

If there is a better product, I would like to hear about it since it may not be brought into "my island".

If interested, this is the product I mentioned: http://www.liquidglass.com/FAQ.htm I only use the pre-cleaner and the polish itself. The polish smells a little like toothpaste but it's not and it contains no abrasives. The cleaner has "micro" abrasives which is used to bring out the car paint's lustre.

this stuff is great. big range and aimed at trade. we are distributor here so i know you can get in in uk and most of europe...possibly the US too....really good value..1 lt polish is around £8-10.

www.conceptchemicals.com

Update.

I know it has only been a few weeks, shortly after I applied turtle wax ice we had a full fledged late season bllizzard. That quickly melted. We also had one major thunderstorm complete with heavy downpour and several days of more mild rain as late as yesterday.

The product is still on the vehicle and still beading nicely. It repelled all the salt they put on the road during the blizzard.

I am not prepared to say this stuff is the most durable stuff out there by any means, but after a few weeks it is still holding up after some pretty rough weather.

18 days in and counting.

It is Friday... I work... but when I get home tonight, I am going to set everything up to dedicate my whole day tomorrow to testng ZYMOL. Has a bottle laying around that I wanna use up before buying my trusty Liquid Glass. I will post before and after pix. Take into consideration hat my Jeep is only a week old so we may not see any real difference but, we have a series of rainy days coming up so I will also keep a pix record of the "beadability" of water by ZYMOL.

Next round I will use Liquid Glass.

hi guys i don't have a patriot yet but i have been using ths product in all my cars with excellent results.

Update.

Okay it has been about 7 weeks give or take one since I put the initial coast of turtle wax ice on.

Today, I put a additional coat on as it was starting to lose its slime. Hard to put into words, but I would say the original coat was 60% 70% tired out. My finger still slide across it with the silicone feel but way less then when I put it on 7 weeks ago.

During that time the Jeep saw one majoy 12 inch winter storm heavy salt, a few hard thunderstorms and plenty of windblown sand and some very soft trail riding dust. All of the dirt and debris sat nicely ontop of the wax like it is supposed to.

After 7 weeks I still give this product two thumbs up and an A+ rating. I would put the conditions over that time period as moderate to harsh, not a flat out harsh or severe but something a little more than moderate wear and tear to the paint surface. This product can go easily 6 Weeks to two months protecting your paint.

The best part was to put an additional coat on, just took a quick run through the neighbor wash (wear my coast still beaded the water) and 30 minutes later the entire car was waxed, and this wasn't even a rush job. No worries about the sunny day.

Simple, fantastic product.

I so totally recommend this product. It might not last as long as a traditional wax, or even the green turtle wax, but it does stick around for a couple months, and is super simple and fast to apply.

I used alot of wax, both times, more than I needed to, and still have over 2/3rds of the bottle left.

The only condition I would even hesitiate to recommend this is if you live in a perpetually rainy area and then maybe it gets washed off. I don't know, my experience is this stuff stays put.

I agree with UPKEV about the Turtle Was Ice. I have used it for a year now and it keep beading for a few months. My car has never been garaged and it gets washed every week by hand. I am please with how easy it is to apply and remove. It is worth it to me not to be sore after waxing.

I used the liquid clay bar today, because it came with the kit I used early this spring and figured I paid for it so I best use it.

I was really pleasantly surprised! It really did work almost as good as a regular clay bar. It pulled off the cooked on bugs, the tar, the rail dust, and almost as much as the regular clay bar. :smiley_thumbs_up:

It also worked really good on the painted wheels, especially pulling off brake dust.

You do have to do one area at a time though, and if you do and rinse it thoroughly and you will get no streaks or swirls.

As soon as it drys it will be getting a fresh coat of Turtle Wax Ice, still the original bottle, not even half way gone.

The clay bar kit comes with a real clay bar and the liquid clay bar and you are supposed to use them all in one detailing, but that is ridiculous, you can just use one or the other and save the other. It would be complete overkill to use the entire system at once unless you have a super neglected paint job.

Anywy after about 6 months of using the Ice Polish and Claybar kit, I must admit I am super sold on these products.:notworthy:

However, the interior spray is a little ho hum.

It is Friday... I work... but when I get home tonight, I am going to set everything up to dedicate my whole day tomorrow to testng ZYMOL. Has a bottle laying around that I wanna use up before buying my trusty Liquid Glass. I will post before and after pix. Take into consideration hat my Jeep is only a week old so we may not see any real difference but, we have a series of rainy days coming up so I will also keep a pix record of the "beadability" of water by ZYMOL.

Next round I will use Liquid Glass.

I just picked up a couple bottles of ZYMOL at the local closeouts store. $2.00 a bottle so I should be good for awhile, unless this stuff is defective or very old. It had a strong following back in the 80's and 90's so I thought I'd take a chance for two bucks. We'll see if it's really a bargain.

I just picked up a couple bottles of ZYMOL at the local closeouts store. $2.00 a bottle so I should be good for awhile, unless this stuff is defective or very old. It had a strong following back in the 80's and 90's so I thought I'd take a chance for two bucks. We'll see if it's really a bargain.

If it still smell's like coconut oil, you should be good. $2.00/bottle? Damn... haven't seen it for less that $19.99 down here. Once I am done with the bottle, it's back to my old and trusted liquid glass. I will say that the Zymol has kept deading just about what has been discussed here with the Ice BUT maybe not with as mnuch harsh weathering. Being that it is carnauba wax though, it does shine up nicely with an orbital polisher. Zymol is not rubber/plastic friendly so keep a magic eraser around which I have heard does wonders cleaning up white residue.

As for the Turtle Ice... question... Has anyone had a chance to compare it to the Turtle wax "paste"? Just wondering... The bottle of Ice I have left I leave to use on the wifes Explorer and the daughters Rodeo.

Love Turtle Ice. Used it for the first time a few weeks ago, to polish up my old Studebaker for a car show. The twenty year old paint looked like a wet mirror. Never looked better.

I just used ice clay bar on my 1 mo old white Pat. I have no idea how long this car sat around accumulating this caked on speckles that gave the finish its sandpaper texture. Anyhow, the clay pulled off all the dirt and grime and left me with a perfectly white and amazingly smooth finish. I'm not sold on the Ice polish yet- but it was easy.

I used the ICE polish acouple of weeks ago and it only took half an hour to do came off easy too. The bottle will last for ages. My Pat needs a wash now but rain is forecast so will have to leave a couple of days to see how the ICE is doing.

turtle wax ice = cheap "wal*mart" grade product....use meguire's or griots garage products its worth the extra cash....i promise

turtle wax ice = cheap "wal*mart" grade product....use meguire's or griots garage products its worth the extra cash....i promise

meguires is great!

Does the car need to be bone dry before applying ice ? and if so what do you guys recommend to be the best way to get the water off after a wash. Cheers.

Meguires NXT Generation Wax and Meguires liquid car wash, works Great!!

Does the car need to be bone dry before applying ice ? and if so what do you guys recommend to be the best way to get the water off after a wash. Cheers.

Use a chamois. I have the kit my girl bought off the CVC channel. ChamWow they are, I think. Lifetime supply. Whole drawer full for about $30. Throw em in the washer after a couple uses. They last forever. I think Wal-Mart sells a smaller kit for less $$$.

I have been using WD40 to remove tar and bugs from the exterior paint, and other surfaces for as long as I can remember. Works well, doesn't hurt the paint, or wax. For tough tar, you might need to let it sit on it for awhile. I spray the areas with tar and bugs and let it sit a few minutes before I wash, then just need to spray and rub with a rag the things that are left after the wash. Works well for me. (it will remove the glue left when you remove stickers too)

Then I use Nu-Finish for the wax, easy enough to use, and seems to leave a strong coating over the paint.

To clean the interior surfaces, I use Windex, and spray carpet shampoo. Windex for the hard plastic, and carpet shampoo for carpets and liners, etc.

After cleaning I just use ArmorAll for the plastic. I wax all interior surfaces that are painted or chrome.

I also, for the first waxing, I wax everything. Inside door frames, under the hood, the bottom of all 5 doors, etc. I might do that again sometime during the vehicle's life, but I make sure I do those the first time. I usually leave that wax on without wiping off too, since it's just for protection.

thanks for all the tips on cleaning interior. Also, I never tried the WD-40 for tar and bugs. I will definetely give that a try this Spring.

the Ice car wash that claims it leaves no water spots,
sucks! I'm definately going back to Meguiars!

I've been using the Ice for about 3 months now. It's really easy to apply. Looks good for a couple weeks. It doesnt last anywhere near as long as a good Carnuba, but its ALOT easier. Also, it has NO cleaning component. NONE. You have to use a claybar (Or some other method) to remove tar spots, grease, bug guts, bird crap or any other unidentifiable crap-like substance. It beads water nicely, but it feels slightly oily and dust sticks to it. Also, pollen. I never had green dust on a car before. Wind wont even blow it off on the highway. Have to spray it off. Weird. I tried putting a coat of Meguires paste on the hood after I sprayed the green-funk off, the Ice/Meguires combination left "Ghost Shadows". Can only see them in bright sunlight at a low angle. This weekend I'm going to buff out the hood and put a thick coat of REAL wax on it. Im going to use the rest of the Ice on my girls car. Not sure what would happen if you used Ice OVER real wax, as a quick freshen up job. Ill experiment on HER car. I can tell you for sure that paste wax OVER Ice is NOT a good idea.

I used to use Astro Shield, and loved it, but no longer available, they say this new Wizards Shine Master is a replacement for it.

Have any of you used the Wizard Shine Master?

http://www.mfsperformance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=hc1p9jktvetur3f3ahdg2dlti3

I have a bottle of Mothers FX SynWax Liquid Wax sitting in the back waiting for a nice weekend to apply it. My first choice would have been Liquid Glass but I can't seem to find anyone in Toronto that sells it. I could order it from Amazon but with the freight charge it ain't worth it. I hope the Synwax does a good job.

I've been using the Ice for about 3 months now. It's really easy to apply. Looks good for a couple weeks. It doesnt last anywhere near as long as a good Carnuba, but its ALOT easier. Also, it has NO cleaning component. NONE. You have to use a claybar (Or some other method) to remove tar spots, grease, bug guts, bird crap or any other unidentifiable crap-like substance. It beads water nicely, but it feels slightly oily and dust sticks to it. Also, pollen. I never had green dust on a car before. Wind wont even blow it off on the highway. Have to spray it off. Weird. I tried putting a coat of Meguires paste on the hood after I sprayed the green-funk off, the Ice/Meguires combination left "Ghost Shadows". Can only see them in bright sunlight at a low angle. This weekend I'm going to buff out the hood and put a thick coat of REAL wax on it. Im going to use the rest of the Ice on my girls car. Not sure what would happen if you used Ice OVER real wax, as a quick freshen up job. Ill experiment on HER car. I can tell you for sure that paste wax OVER Ice is NOT a good idea.

Carnuba is good, but I used Meguire's cleaner wax, it's cheap, works well, and has a good scent (kinda like the beach) It'll last about 2 weeks of adverse weather or about 1-2 monthes of normal weather (depending of where you live) I just put another coat on, depending how this hurricane seasons goes I may go all summer without another coat, or run out hehehe :D

That's one reason I liked Astro Shield, it lasted a LONG time, a year or so. And when I took cars in for body work the guys always told me how tough it was to take off.

Good looks and long lasting protection, while being easy to apply.

Carnuba is good, but I used Meguire's cleaner wax, it's cheap, works well, and has a good scent (kinda like the beach) It'll last about 2 weeks of adverse weather or about 1-2 monthes of normal weather (depending of where you live) I just put another coat on, depending how this hurricane seasons goes I may go all summer without another coat, or run out hehehe :D

I think I'm going to try that Meguire's Cleaner Wax. I need something to stip it down and get these shadows off. The rest of the Jeep looks good with the Ice, but the hood is bothering me, now. The Ice makes all the black plastic look great. I may use it just for that.

Just Iced the Pat this morning. Instead of using the applicator sponge provided in the kit, I used a small soft cotton towel. The last time I Iced the car with the applicator sponge, it left small scratches on the clear coat all over the car. Will just use that sponge for applying tyre shine :)

I agree with Afmcronnie. I use Ice on my old Studebaker the day before car shows. But it doesn't seem to last long in the hot sun. I still like old-fashioned Carnuba best. I finished restoring the Stude 20 years ago, and the bright red polyurethane paint still looks like new.

I think I'm going to try that Meguire's Cleaner Wax. .

OMG.. I read the reviews and believed the hype about Meguires, It may be good on other colours, but on my black car I found it to be an absoloute nightmare... easy to put on , almost impossoble to polish off.

I swear by Autoglym products , especially the extra gloss protectionhttp://www.autoglym.com/enGB/product-proddetail.asp?v06VQ=FH&Range=1
mind you, each to their own :smiley_thumbs_up:

I just did the ice liquid clay and the ice liquid polish. as for the clay bar, go with mothers solid clay bar kit. as for the liquid polish, ease of use A+ not sure it is going to last though. It doesn't give the car the super slick feel that a good wax does. seems to me like a "wet n black" for the paint. I think it would be great for in between paste waxes, but as for a total reliable wax / polish not so sure