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Trump vs. Hillary...who ya got??

We're just 3 months from the first presidential debate. The GOP led by Mitt Romney have had enough of Trump and are actively trying to get the delegates to still not vote for him at the convention, while the Democrats are beginning to unite while Hillary grabs an endorsement from President Obama. Both sides are hitting each other hard, who are you siding with? I personally was big on John Kasich but since he's done, I have no idea what I'm doing.
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None of the above
Again
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GOP being led by Mitt Romney, he failed at his bid to be President. Hillary Clinton being endorsed by Obama, those two are covering for each others corruption. What a sad state this Country has become. It's clear that the corrupt powers that be are desperate to keep Trump from being President. Trump is the lesser of the evils. Where are the other Parties Candidates ? Oh it's the Democrats vs. Republicans. Both are one of the Same. Hillary Clinton is CORRUPT AS CAN BE. Wake up America.......:
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Trump ran as a joke, again. He's "run" before. I really think he had no expectations to get this for, so is totally unprepared, and so has no idea what he is doing (corruption or not)

Hillary, I agree, is about as corrupt as somebody can be. probably more so.

Republican = Democrats, they basically are the same anymore, there are some thing they say they differ on, but all the actual members flipflop so much on all the topics, that there is no difference anymore.
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At least Trump is different. He recognizes the issues and doesn't waste time. No doubt his business experience has taught him that.

A few days ago I saw a friend I hadn't seen in a while -- a woman I thought was pretty far left -- and after a couple pleasantries, she gushed, "Can you believe Donald Trump is getting the nomination!?!?" I said I thought she'd be a Hillary supporter. "You gotta be kidding!" she retorted. We had other stuff to catch up on and I didn't pursue the political discussion, but I'm still amazed how thrilled she was about it. I don't think she is a disgruntled Bernie supporter, I think she would have said so. She seemed to genuinely like Trump.

Myself? I don't love either one, but I may go Trump just to keep Hillary out. She is poison. I'm really disappointed VP Biden didn't get in the race, or some other reasonable Democrat. Biden missed his opportunity -- he'll just become a footnote in history.

Predictions:
1) Hillary will be indicted.
2) Obama will issue her a pardon like Ford did for Nixon.
3) Hillary isn't done self-destructing.
4) The Libertarians will get 10% of the popular vote.
5) Trump will still win by a significant margin, but the electoral college will make it look closer.

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if you have not, I would recommend watching a trump rally... I went with my brother to one of the ones that was held here... The HATE of those rallies scares me. So much hate... The hate of the people, the hate of his speech, the hate just floating around in the room...
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If I thought the libertarian guy had a chance, I'd probably vote for him. But, I don't want a replay of 1992(looong before I could vote) where the split Republicans caused Clinton to get into office in the first place, so I've got to cast my vote for Trump. If he manages to kick out the illegals, this country could maybe afford itself again. Assuming he can run a country better than he runs businesses, lol.
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Neither. Libertarian, as I have in the last many years.
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I pretty much agree with what is said sans #5 as Trump is very disliked (more so than Hilda). If Bernie is not the nomonee and agrees to run as an independent as some are thinking is possible, I think this nation will be voting 1/4 for each and it will be an insane and tight race!



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Predictions:
1) Hillary will be indicted.
2) Obama will issue her a pardon like Ford did for Nixon.
3) Hillary isn't done self-destructing.
4) The Libertarians will get 10% of the popular vote.
5) Trump will still win by a significant margin, but the electoral college will make it look closer.
Remember that Johnson is polling at least 10% nationwide in any and every poll he is mentioned in and I can see this rising once the GOP convention is done.

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If Johnson can manage a moderate tone and appear reasonable (he doesn't have to be reasonable, just appear reasonable) he could do well. Wouldn't hurt him to get Weld out there too. If the republicans split, its not hard to imagine the democrats following suite. In a 4-way race, I'd most likely go for Johnson. He's not about personal likeability, he's running on his beliefs. We/ve already had two presidents Johnson -- third times a charm.
  • Trump = believes he should be president (he shouldn't)
  • Hillary = thinks she's smarter than everyone else (she's not)
  • Bernie = thinks nobody should work (they should)
  • Republican challenger TBA = just mad at Trump (so mad--as in demented--that Hillary would win)
  • Johnson = has a genuine platform. Imagine that, someone actually believing in something that could benefit the country.

The BIG problem then is that we'd have a leader that 3/4 of the voters voted against. Then figure 1/2 the country doesn't even vote. That means the winner would have the support of about 12% of the country. That would just add a snicker to the punchline this election already is.

One thing that could save us all: If a reasonable/responsible republican or democrat entered the race, the electoral college could elect that person. The electoral college is people not a system and those people are not required to vote as their state did. Its only happened once in recent years (1968 I think) but each elector can vote contrary to their state's choice if they wish. That's why there is an electoral college -- to "preserve the sense of the people," read that to elect a decent president when the people/system has failed. The framers of the constitution likely had the present scenario in mind. Think the electoral college will do their job?

A concluding un-scientific postcript to the political fragments: If the electoral college can't muster 270 votes for one candidate, the House of Representatives will elect the president. A 3-way race or a 4-way race could make that happen . . .

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I'd completely disagree with Berine not wanting anyone to work, is he resonating the democratic platform in regards to social benefits yes, but not to your over-exaggeration. The best thing at this point would be for trump, hilary, bernie, a gop candidate, and johnson all run against the already massive number of other candidates low on the totem pole. Would be a real European style election for sure
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At least Trump is different. He recognizes the issues and doesn't waste time. No doubt his business experience has taught him that.
If you have to qualify your decision for who you are voting for with "At least..." then the person you're voting for is NOT a worthy candidate.

Hillary can kick rocks, and I hope the FBI finds her guilty. She should not even be in running, and her validity as a candidate is non-existent.

Trump, on the other hand, is NOT a politician, NOT trained in political arts, and to cast a vote for him is basically giving up entirely on the idea of having any order. It is a wasted vote.

We -all- need to stop pretending that the two-party system is remotely valid. You admit that Gary Johnson has a solid platform? THEN VOTE FOR HIM.

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If I thought the libertarian guy had a chance, I'd probably vote for him. But, I don't want a replay of 1992(looong before I could vote) where the split Republicans caused Clinton to get into office in the first place, so I've got to cast my vote for Trump. If he manages to kick out the illegals, this country could maybe afford itself again. Assuming he can run a country better than he runs businesses, lol.
The Libertarian party has a chance... if people would actually vote for them. Look at it this way: instead of worrying about splitting the GOP vote, just vote your conscience, instead of throwing your vote away on a nutbag.

We need not accept a decision between two criminals. This is NOT a two-party system. Vote your conscience, whoever you vote for, but seriously consider ANYONE else if the two candidates from the major parties are BOTH corrupt. Don't choose between two forms of cancer; choose a damn doctor.
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I'd completely disagree with Berine not wanting anyone to work, is he resonating the democratic platform in regards to social benefits yes, but not to your over-exaggeration. The best thing at this point would be for trump, hilary, bernie, a gop candidate, and johnson all run against the already massive number of other candidates low on the totem pole. Would be a real European style election for sure
I have been mostly pro-Bernie since early on in this election circus, except for his wacky fiscal policies... my hope was that, if he would have given us some indication that he'd have a good team going into office with him, that they could take him aside and put some sense into him, and let him iron out the social and foreign policy issues.

That said, I find it amazing the NOBODY has announced any indication as to having selected a running mate, let alone a cabinet. About the only buzz has been Hillary leaning toward Elisabeth Warren as VP, but even that is just a rumor.

Either way, if Bernie is indeed out of the running, and since I can't vote for Hillary with any shred of conscience, I'm leaning toward Johnson. I'm not 100% pleased with him on everything, but he seems to be the only valid candidate left. I just hope he can get into the debates.

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as for sanders
stop listening to GOP labels,
i lived in Burlington in early 90's
Sanders was mayor of Burlington in the 80's
he fought to keep burlington as it was , with waterfront accessible to all
his opponents claimed sanders would ruin and bankrupt burlington,
they wanted to develop the heck out of the waterfront, hotels, casinos, sell anything to the highest bidder
i got to enjoy burlington as sanders intended and on visits back i also get to enjoy burlington as sanders fought to keep it,
you can call sanders whatever you want, but out of all the candidates he has my respect for actually doing things for the people of his city,
as a registered conservative rather have sanders as president over the others
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as for sanders
stop listening to GOP labels,
i lived in Burlington in early 90's
Sanders was mayor of Burlington in the 80's
he fought to keep burlington as it was , with waterfront accessible to all
his opponents claimed sanders would ruin and bankrupt burlington,
they wanted to develop the heck out of the waterfront, hotels, casinos, sell anything to the highest bidder
i got to enjoy burlington as sanders intended and on visits back i also get to enjoy burlington as sanders fought to keep it,
you can call sanders whatever you want, but out of all the candidates he has my respect for actually doing things for the people of his city,
as a registered conservative rather have sanders as president over the others
You, sir, are an honest voter.
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