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2014 Patriot Acceleration

I have a 2014 Patriot Latitude I bought new last year. It has the 6-speed auto. I travel to work each day on a highway that has traffic lights. At first I didnt mind the slow acceleration. But the vehicle is so slow pulling away from a traffic light, it has become annoying. Im not looking to race, but it is slow.
I spoke to a service tech at the dealership who owns a 2012 Patriot. He told me to turn off the traction control for better acceleration when the weather is good. I tired it and it seems to help a bit. But the salesperson that sold me the vehicle told me I should always leave the traction control on.
I would welcome opinions on this. Thanks.
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I go hard on the pedal just for the fun of it, but the Patriot's no sportscar. If your focus is acceleration more than utility now, I can recommend you to a few Corvettes in good condition, but the Patriot isn't supposed to be sportscar-fast, it's supposed to be reliable, and it is. Pretty quick for the way it was designed, though.

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I would first try resetting the ECM so it can re-map the fuel/throttle/transmission. Really seems to refresh the feel of your ride. You can either disconnect the battery terminals and then touch them together for a few seconds or just leave it disconnected overnight and when you re-connect the battery it will re-learn your driving habits.

There isn't much that can be done to improve performance output on these motors so you have to get creative. A proven way to make your vehicle faster is by using lightweight wheels and tires. OEM size or similar, not up-sized tires at all. Essentially you can reduce the parasitic drag of unsprung weight and even change your Final Drive ratio if you want, by using OEM size or slightly smaller diameter tires and light weight wheels.

I like the OEM size 215/60/17 on the Jeep alloy wheels for a nice light combo. There are lighter wheels out there if you don't want to use the Alloy 17"s.

If you don't off road much there are a few tires you can try in 215/60/17 or 215/65/17

I would check the manufacturers websites so see if the tire weight is listed and go from there.

Gas mileage improvement is a nice little side effect from this too, depending on the tire size you choose.

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Surprized the 6-speeds are slow off the start too. Thought that was only an anti-vibration thing for the CVT's. Anyway, a reset will do you wonders. Follow the "Forced Flash" instructions here (http://www.avengerforumz.com/showthread.php?t=40089). I do it every now and then to help out.

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Do you have the 2.0 or the 2.4?

I have a 2.0 manual and a 2.4 CVT (both FWD). The 2.4 CVT is definitely faster on acceleration. The 2.0 however does get better fuel economy by 1-2 mpg. Since we were making a long trip we took the 2.0 up north into the mountains this weekend and it had trouble maintaining speed on the long highway grades. Had to downshift. That was with a pretty empty vehicle except for Wifey and me. If we'd had a real load -- say a couple kids and luggage -- it probably would have been even more of a challenge.

With the 2.4/CVT, while not a dragster, it is certainly not a slow vehicle either -- I'd say about average for a CUV. I've only driven a 6spd auto once for a few hours as a loaner while Ignatz was in the shop and I do believe the CVT is better on acceleration, but not significantly.

Buying a Patriot you didn't get a dragster . . .

Back to your original question, I can't imagine how turning off traction control is going to affect acceleration. That only function if you're losing traction. You're not squealing away from the lights, are you?
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Do you have the 2.0 or the 2.4?

I have a 2.0 manual and a 2.4 CVT (both FWD). The 2.4 CVT is definitely faster on acceleration. The 2.0 however does get better fuel economy by 1-2 mpg. Since we were making a long trip we took the 2.0 up north into the mountains this weekend and it had trouble maintaining speed on the long highway grades. Had to downshift. That was with a pretty empty vehicle except for Wifey and me. If we'd had a real load -- say a couple kids and luggage -- it probably would have been even more of a challenge.

With the 2.4/CVT, while not a dragster, it is certainly not a slow vehicle either -- I'd say about average for a CUV. I've only driven a 6spd auto once for a few hours as a loaner while Ignatz was in the shop and I do believe the CVT is better on acceleration, but not significantly.

Buying a Patriot you didn't get a dragster . . .

Back to your original question, I can't imagine how turning off traction control is going to affect acceleration. That only function if you're losing traction. You're not squealing away from the lights, are you?
I have the 2.4. Im just giving it gas pulling away from a light normally. I dont expect it to be like a car. But I guess the way it performs is normal.
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I have the 2.4. Im just giving it gas pulling away from a light normally. I dont expect it to be like a car. But I guess the way it performs is normal.
I don't know about the six speed but with the CVT it doesn't like being floored from a standing start.
You get your best performance by rolling into the throttle...that is get moving and as your speed and revs come up you increase your throttle application as needed

Try that style, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

Also this engine makes its power when it is making noise...don't be afraid to ramp up the revs if you really need/want to go.
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I am entirely satisfied with the get-up-and-go of my 2014 with 2.4 engine.

Maybe you can test drive a similar model at a dealer for comparison.
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Back to your original question, I can't imagine how turning off traction control is going to affect acceleration. That only function if you're losing traction. You're not squealing away from the lights, are you?

If there's any kind of wheel slippage the brakes pretty aggressively slow the spinning tire down and cause the engine to bog down a little.

Turning off trac control permits more wheel spin so the computer doesn't get nearly as involved in controlling throttle response. I seem to feel quicker too with the trac control off. Doesn't do much when you have great traction though. Only during slippage in my experiences. Not sure if actually does anything for throttle response though.

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I also have the 2014 2.4L 6-speed, it seems peppy enough to me. It's not slow pulling away from a traffic light at all, usually people behind me have a hard time keeping up actually. I'll have to see if turning traction control off gives it a different feel, never tried it. I have the oem 215/60/17 tires, I'm looking forward to switching them out with 225/65/17 though when the time comes.
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Compared to the CVT in mine I felt the loaner 6 speed I had was a rocket. 1rst is geared much lower and felt like it just took off. Maybe yours isn't shifting down to 1rst if you're doing rolling stops? Try using autostick mode and slap shifting to the gear you feel most appropriate.
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I also have the 2014 2.4L 6-speed, it seems peppy enough to me.
Yep.

I outran a Corvette the other day with my 2015, 2.4, 6 speed.

I don't get these complaints either........

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Hahaha, I don't know about out-running Corvette's but it is far from what I consider slow when pulling away from stop lights. Different story at highway speeds though, definitely doesn't have the passing oomph that I'm used to.

My 3 previous vehicles were a Firebird, a supercharged Monte Carlo (L67), and a GLI (2.0T w/DSG). And I was surprised by the get up and go of the Pat when I test drove it, they're not half as sluggish as they look in my opinion.

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Hahaha, I don't know about out-running Corvette's but it is far from what I consider slow when pulling away from stop lights. Different story at highway speeds though, definitely doesn't have the passing oomph that I'm used to.

My 3 previous vehicles were a Firebird, a supercharged Monte Carlo (L67), and a GLI (2.0T w/DSG). And I was surprised by the get up and go of the Pat when I test drove it, they're not half as sluggish as they look in my opinion.
Let the car downshift to 4k-5krpms that's where the most power is with the 2.4L.
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5-speed manual. Still not a drag racer, but about as quick as most other CUV's....

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