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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 10-26-2012, 03:15 PM Thread Starter
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Battery light on but alternator fine?

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Hoping for some help here. I have a 2008 Patriot 2.0 CRD and the battery light came on and stayed on whilst driving the other day. After checking all connections to alternator and battery and found them to be fine I concluded it must be a faulty alternator. I have now changed the alternator to a brand new one but the problem remains. Battery light on whilst engine running, and the battery voltage does not increase from engine off to engine on which I believe it should show an increase of about 2 volts. A friend suggested the voltage regulator might be faulty but having looked this up, it is an internal part of the PCM (power control mudule) and the whole PCM would need to be replaced and reprogrammed to my vehicle but I don't want to go down that route yet as it sounds very expensive. Has any one else out there had any experience of this?
Any ideas would be most welcome! Thanks.
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Not knowing for sure, but...most alternators today have an internal regulator built into the brush ass'y. So, if you get 12V (+/-) with engine shut off, then with a properly operating alternator, you should see around 14V--maybe as much as 14.8. Check the output right at the alternator plug. I don't believe you have TWO bad alternators...let us know!


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post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 10-27-2012, 09:53 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the reply Jack. The output on the alternator is showing just 4 volts which is obviously 10 or so volts short. The multiplug that plugs into the alternator is showing 12v so is providing power to the alternator. With the belt working perfectly am I right in thinking it simply has to be another faulty alternator?
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have you tested your battery? the voltage when fully charge should be about 14.2 v and the load test should read no less that 10 v .
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Actually a fully charged 12v battery will show 12.6 volts (there are six 2 volt cells in a car battery and they can charge to 2.1 volts each when fully charged). Most mechanics will want to see a minimum of 13.6-13.8 volts of output from the alternator. This would be the minimum to run everything and keep the battery charged.

I'd double check any and all engine ground cables and the battery terminals for tightness and good connection, then I'd say you got another bad alternator. It happens from time to time.

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SOLVED!

Hi guys, this is now SOLVED. For anyone else with a similar experience, I have found that even though there was correct power to the alternator, fully functioning alternator/ belts and inadequate voltage coming back from the alternator output doesn't neccessarily mean the alternator is at fault. The charging system is wider than this and also includes the starter motor. Having found this out and removing the protective undertray to the engine I found a cable broken away from the starter motor which obviously plays a part in obtaining the correct output from the alternator. A simple new connector and refit to the starter motor cured the problem immediately. Hope this helps someone else out there.
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Could this broken wire been a ground to the alternator? That would make sense...


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Could this broken wire been a ground to the alternator? That would make sense...
More then likely the hot 12v feed through to the battery.

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As Jack found, I had exact same issue and had already replaced alternator. It's a poor rated eyelet to starter motor. Mine broke too and I have upgraded to a higher csa cable. For advice, check with multimeter set to 12 or 24vdc and test to B+ stud on back of alt to battery then classic ground. With no electricity loads you should get 14.5 v. If it's at battery voltage, alternator failed. If different then broken cable. If varies to ground then maybe lost ground to engine. Also check pcm and control Twin wires not open circuit. On the Jeep, I would say order of failure probability is 1). Broken cable at starter, 2). Failure alternator (regulator) 3). Failed gnd or control wires 4). Failed pcm 5). Failed battery cell dragging the system down (if you see 10.4 v). Hope this helps
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Ah! That's chassis gnd not classic. Spellchecker. Grrrrr
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I have a 2008 Jeep Patriot 2.4L 4X4

Battery light was coming up
Simple turn engine off/on
The light goes away.

Now it's on and will not go away
If I continue to drive, I will drain the battery.

I just had the jeep checked out
starters good
Battery good
Alternator is puting out 12. Something Volts

Do I need a new Alternator ?
Because it's not putting out more then 12 volts

I also didn't check for any damaged starter wires┐
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I have a 2008 Jeep Patriot 2.4L 4X4

Battery light was coming up
Simple turn engine off/on
The light goes away.

Now it's on and will not go away
If I continue to drive, I will drain the battery.

I just had the jeep checked out
starters good
Battery good
Alternator is puting out 12. Something Volts

Do I need a new Alternator ?
Because it's not putting out more then 12 volts

I also didn't check for any damaged starter wires┐
alternator should be putting out 13-14 volts
if only putting out 12 volts something is wrong
check the wires and belt
how/who did they determine alternator is good?
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Thank you so much!

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Hi guys, this is now SOLVED. For anyone else with a similar experience, I have found that even though there was correct power to the alternator, fully functioning alternator/ belts and inadequate voltage coming back from the alternator output doesn't neccessarily mean the alternator is at fault. The charging system is wider than this and also includes the starter motor. Having found this out and removing the protective undertray to the engine I found a cable broken away from the starter motor which obviously plays a part in obtaining the correct output from the alternator. A simple new connector and refit to the starter motor cured the problem immediately. Hope this helps someone else out there.
Hi.

Thank you so much for this post!
You saved me a lot of money and frustration!

I had the same problem as you; 4 volts at the alternator and battery light at the the dashboard.

I will provide some images so the next person with this problem can get some more help:

Checked the cable at the starter and it was indeed broken.
See image:
http://91.207.159.113/img/jeep_1.jpg

Picked up a new cable shoe (is that the english word for it?) at a local gass station. Costet next to nothing, like 50 cent.
See image:
http://91.207.159.113/img/jeep_2.jpg

Reused the cable and cleaned up the connection.

See image:
http://91.207.159.113/img/jeep_3.jpg

Started the car and it works!

Charging battery at 14.X volt and no battery light.
See image:
http://91.207.159.113/img/jeep_4.jpg

Did the job outside in the Norwegian arctic winter. No stress, this is a job any (semi) handy person can do. I spent around two, maybe three hours, including the trip to the gas station and reassembly of battery, plastic protection.

Good luck!
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