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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-16-2017, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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tapping/clicking at 55mph and faster...

so i just noticed a faint tapping/clicking when on the highway at 55mph and higher with windows up. seems to go away though the faster i go but it's still there it seems but fainter. it's worst at 55mph.. i just was up at the mountain and the road is rough- need 4x4/awd to get up there due to steep and gravel. i thought maybe a branch was stuck underneath so i checked under neath and see nothing stuck anywhere like a branch or rock etc. i never bottom out or anything.

the noise stays same if i push the clutch in and put in neutral while moving at 55/60 mph. once under 55mph i don't hear it. doesn't seem to be affected by gear or engine. as i said, does it in neutral. almost sounds like and exhaust leak but doesn't change with engine rpms....also, i only hear when windows up. had ac on so turned off and noise still there- turned fan off too and still there.

doesn't sound like a power train issue to me but who knows.

the speed doesn't seem to affect it as far as the frequency of the tapping so going 55mph and 65 sounds same but at 65 it's fainter.

I put the mirrors in, wound windows back up, still there.

ran windshield wipers, still there.

no rocks in tires.

tires look good.

i did recently go thru a car wash that i usually do not go through- the cloth type with the blower at end- i won't ever do that again as the hood deflector really vibrated alot as did the wipers. the hood deflector is all tight- checked it good, as are my angry bird eyes.

i am at a loss here.

any thoughts?

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checked all over and nothing seems out of whack. the only thing maybe was the coiled plastic hose cover that goes over the power steering hose underneath. One end was not all the way around the hose so i put it back how it should be.

another observation-

hitting the brakes or letting off gas makes it louder.

perhaps it is a vibration of some sort and with the body shifting back when driving wind is doing something funny?

also, i jsut replaced the brakes and rotors and the noise hasn't changed.


could this be a wheel bearing starting to go? it sounds metal on metal almost like an engine tap but as i said, i can put in neutral and rev and its fine and rpms don't affect it when moving and it only does it 55mph and higher.


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so i think i found a possible cause. the drivers front tire's tpms is quite loose and knocks when i go in any direction. The other 3 are tighter with one other tire having a sort of loose one.


i suppose i will go to where i got the tires and see abt them tightening them up....


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so it seems to be something that after driving it for a bit, start happening. the tire place did the fronts and backs and i believe it's still clicking. i bought for new engine splash shield clips where they are used inside fenders to secure to body and replaced them. that area is nice and tight now whereas before it would clank a little if you pushed up on the center of the sheild underneath. not sure if this is it or not but will know next time i drive the jeep...

regarding the tpms, the said they replaced the fronts but when i got home, the rears were just as loose as the fronts were before so i suspect they merely rotated the tires around- against my wishes. they said they did not but what a coincidence that the rears all of a sudden loosened up where before they always were tight.

anyhow, they did the rears too.

i think it still clicks some but not 100% sure.


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Check for play in your cv axle joints.

if it is a ticking noise and it speeds up when your speed increases, its either tires, brakes, or axles.

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i have replaced the cv axle hub lock nuts and cotter pins- thought that was maybe it and i think that was the rattling sound i also heard on expansion joints slow in town.


still there.

the pass side aftermarket mudflap i put on when i got it new was having an issue with one bolt and wouldn't tighten so i used another larger screw and tightened it down. still there. i did notice, that same flap made a clicking noise when pushing in like wind might do so i trimmed it some to match the drivers side.

haven't driven it yet to see.

i will say that when the tire place replaced the tpms sensors they put the front tires to the rear first before replacing trying to scam me. i say this with certainty as the noise was present at 45mph and seemed to be coming from behind me instead of from up front.

so maybe it's something with the tire or wheel on drivers side. the centercap seems okay. i looked at the treads and they look fine with no nails or anything that i can see but sometimes those things are so small you can't see them. could a belt failing cause the noise?

remember, below 55 or so it's quiet and above about 65 it's quiet. its only 55-65 or so. does not seem to change with speed or if it does perhaps the frequency is too low or too high to hear it. also, engine rpms have no affect on it nor does pushing in clutch.


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so looking at my records, i rotated the tires right before my trip where i heard the noise 50 miles from home on way back. maybe it was there since the rotation and i just didn't hear it because you have to drive with the windows up and radio off to hear it which is something i rarely do.

before the rotation, it was in the pass side rear position which is the furthest you can go for a tire from the drivers seat so maybe it wasn't noticeable back there.

the more i think about it, i am leaning towards something up with that tire. i did go from 35psi to 38 psi right at that last rotation as i had some more wear on shoulders versus center which means under filled tire psi....

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just asking to try to rule out anything else i may have overlooked.


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do you have a balancing weight falling off?
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Is the frequency of the tick constant, change with speed or random ticks?
Did this happen all of a sudden or little by little?
Hitting the brakes or letting off on the gas at 55mph has to be a clue.

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I doubt its the belts -- the noise would increase/decrease depending on your engine speed, not your vehicle speed. When you say its only between 55 and 65 mph it really makes me think of a tire. I had a bum set of tires on my old Pontiac and they'd shimmy like crazy in that same range. I'd have to drive 50 or 70 or suffer.

You've done your due diligence and had a garage look at it. (Nice work, Sherlock, catching that little trick on their part). Seems if they could have found a reason to fix or replace a tire they would have.

Edit: One last thought. Do you have the plastic insert that fits over the hub (goes between the wheel and the lug nuts)? Maybe its cracked? I can imagine speed and centrifugal force finding a critical speed to make a tapping noise.

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it happens all at once at 55 and lasts till about 65 or a little slower.

since my last post, i got some double sided tape and applied between the aftermarket mud flaps and the plastick on the fender.

doubt that fixed it but what the heck.

as far as "belts", i was talking about tire belts and not engine sepentine belt.

i aired back to 35psi.

haven't tested yet but suspect will still be there.

i checked the weights and the pass side only has the sticky kind and the drivers side has the sticky kind and the type you attach to the lip of the wheel. it appears that the sound is coming from the front drivers side but i can't be 100% on that but a passenger said it sounded that way.

i took it to the same place who sold the tires to me regarding the tpms stuff so they wouldn't want to replace a tire unnecessarily.

i do remember that as i said, when i took it there and they said they replaced only the drivers side tpms, that the sound moved from the front to the rear and happened at 45mph not 55mph.

i had checked the tpms sensors on all 4 wheels before driving it there and fronts were loose and the rears tight. driving it the 15 miles back, i thought it was fixed as it was not doing it but then started to. so something is expanding then getting noisy. when i got home, the rear tpms sensors were both loose and the fronts were tight- which led me to believe they merely swapped around the tires against my wishes.

i took it back, pleaded with them to just do it right and i think they did finally as the sound went back to the front at 55.

so i bet it's the front drivers side tire/wheel combo but can't for the life of me figure out what it is.

maybe it's that lip weight and as it expands due to heat it loosens and makes noise but why only at 55-65? if i am bored, i can put the oem wheels/tires back on but they have been sitting in a shed for 3 years. not sure how safe that would be?

if it doesn't do it with them, then it's obviously one of the wheels or tires i got from discount...

but if it does still do it, who knows.

cv? wheel bearing?


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the only good clue i have if it's the tires/wheels or not is that it seemed to move to the rear after that first visit to the tire place- they said they didn't move the tires but i really think they did based ont he evidence.

i wish they would have just come clean on this. save me the worry/wondering.

so i suppose i can just wait 2k more miles then when i rotate again, the noise should move- if it does, then that's the issue and i can take back tio them to replace whatever the issue is- tire or wheel as i got both from them.

at least that's what i am hoping the issue is. maybe simply the weight is loosening due to heat and rattling at a certain rpm of the tire.


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if the sound moved, then no, it wont be a cv axle or the wheel bearing.

the noise could very much be a wheel bearing. another good way to test wheel bearings is to find an open road with no traffic, go the speed you hear the noise and swerve back and forth a little. the vehicles weight will shift and typically when the most weight is applied to the tire with the bad wheel bearing it should get louder.

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jack up the tire you think has the issue. grab tire at 12 o clock and 6 o clock. wiggle tire back and forth. if there is any movement you have a bad wheel bearing.
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I'm still thinking the hub center thingee . . .
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I'm still thinking the hub center thingee . . .
what hub center thingie? do you mean the center cap OR plastic centering ring that goes over the hub first then you put the wheel/tire over that?


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