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First, apologies if it has already been explained/asked, please realize I'm new to Jeeps and 4x4's in general, so I am a beginner on this subject. Anyhow, from the research I've done there are only a couple or so lift kits that are able to be put on the Jeep Patriot. Why is this? Or I guess, why is it uncommon to see a Patriot with a high lift when I have seen Jeep Liberty's and other non-wranglers with insane lifts?
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There's not that much of an aftermarket for the big guys to go after. There is a 3rd coming on line soon. 1.5" to keep your driveline healthy, but this one will include struts matched to the springs for improved control, ride and capability, and increased payload for off the beaten path adventures!
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Due to the independent suspension, fwd based driveline, 2" is all the lift you can do, and even then it's pushing it. And that's all you need since the largest tire you'll want to ever fit is a 30" tire, and the 2" is plenty to clear it.

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Please tell me more about this third option that's gonna give 1.5 inches of lift....
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Kojack has(after insulting me for my ideas for a build) decided to convince a company to modify a lift they make for the Mitsubishi Outlander(same platform as us) for the Patriot. Gonna include extra toys to keep it aligned and everything I guess, but they won't be extending the axles for better clearance, like I want to do when my time comes.

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Rossoracer, YOU have NO IDEA who I am talking to...and its not anyone who makes lifts for mistubishis, I can assure you that. I have no idea where you get your mis information....This company makes JEEP/Chrysler products only. And I didn't convince....they came looking for me...There is a big difference in asking and having someone come looking for you!

I am not insulting you. I am telling you FACTS something that you fail to listen to. You just insist on NOT listening to FACTS.

YOu remind me of the famous quote from mythbusters, "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

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Please tell me more about this third option that's gonna give 1.5 inches of lift....
I cannot give company names, but I have been discussing stuff with them. Deciding to keep at 1.5" is better for driveline longevity, adding in some new well built control arms with greasable bushings etc will give more strength and wear out of them. They will be more than likely CNC cut for strength and consistency. Rubber bushings will be the flavor for the bushings as poly is way to squeaky and hard for complaint ride. As for the shocks/struts, some discussion of monotube SSV setup is being tossed around.

Its in development, and I should be getting a test kit this spring/summer to test out.

There are other products in development too NOT just a lift.

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Kojack has(after insulting me for my ideas for a build) decided to convince a company to modify a lift they make for the Mitsubishi Outlander(same platform as us) for the Patriot. Gonna include extra toys to keep it aligned and everything I guess, but they won't be extending the axles for better clearance, like I want to do when my time comes.
BTW, FYI, I am getting something made that's realistic and useful. Not in LA LA land!

ALSO, As ANOTHER BTW<FYI, There are other products being developed as well. Are all of them Mitsubishi parts as well. Maybe you should do some research before your speak..

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So at least a year away for the general public??
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It depends on how fast they can get finished with the current platform they are working on. If I have it in my possession by may, I would guess an august / September time line.
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All that trouble to Cnc cut arms, 12 months of testing, and only a 1.5" lift??? You could put a beer can in between the strut to gain 1.5"....Put me on the do not call list on that one. Haha, let us know when we can get a real lift, say 4-5"? I don't care if it costs upwards of 2k-3k, for 4" it would be worth it. IMO, a 1.5" lift would be worth maybe 99 dollars and a cheaper option then the rro.

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IMO, a 1.5" lift would be worth maybe 99 dollars and a cheaper option then the rro.
Here's the cheapest 1.5" lift I've seen here so far:
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1.5" ATV wheel spacers screwed on to the strut mount studs, 1.5" thick spacers made from polyurethane stock, and adjustable upper rear control arm bushings.

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All that trouble to Cnc cut arms, 12 months of testing, and only a 1.5" lift??? You could put a beer can in between the strut to gain 1.5"....Put me on the do not call list on that one. Haha, let us know when we can get a real lift, say 4-5"? I don't care if it costs upwards of 2k-3k, for 4" it would be worth it. IMO, a 1.5" lift would be worth maybe 99 dollars and a cheaper option then the rro.
I second this, would be willing to shell out some cash for a cool 4 inches.
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4" just isn't going to happen...

actually I take that back, there is a subframe drop of 2" and then the 2" spacer lift would give you your 4". BUT that makes 0 improvement for ground clearance.....

Listen. the WHOLE point of a lift is to be able to install larger tires, The largest tires you would want to install on a patriot is no more than 30". A 2" lift, or even just a 1.5" lift is PLENTY to fit that large of a tire.

Why such a small tire?
1) engine power, there just isn't a lot of it to spin tires bigger
2) gearing, one way to make up for less power is to change gearing in your axles to allow for bigger tires, you cannot do this with a patriot, and the gearing is very high.
3) drive line strength, you would just cause the suspension to crumple with larger tires.
4) braking. Larger tires = more rotating mass, the brakes are simply not up to the task of stopping heavier tires.

To Honestly do it, you would need to replace at least the following:
1) lower control arms
2) struts
3) springs
4) Brakes
5) brake lines
6) axles
7) hubs
8) rear pumpkin
9) transaxle
10) engine
11) engine management system

by the time you're done, you would have in excess of $10k into a vehicle with marginally better off road performance. You could buy a older built TJ for that kind of money that would run circles around the patriot. and still have your patriot getting good gas mileage.

I have not looked into what kojack is talking about, but if I were look into a lift, I think I would prefer the 1.5" lift (plenty to fit the largest tire size I would dare fitting) BUT i would want it to be able to allow me to run with my sway bar disco'ed, but not in danger of binding the cv joints. I felt the biggest limiting factor on my MK (out side of not having a two speed transfer case) was how often I had only 2-3 wheels on the ground, that extra travel given by disconnecting, even just an inch either way would go a LONG way into improving offroad worthiness, and I would invest in at least an LSD, if not a locker.

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All that trouble to Cnc cut arms, 12 months of testing, and only a 1.5" lift??? You could put a beer can in between the strut to gain 1.5"....Put me on the do not call list on that one. Haha, let us know when we can get a real lift, say 4-5"? I don't care if it costs upwards of 2k-3k, for 4" it would be worth it. IMO, a 1.5" lift would be worth maybe 99 dollars and a cheaper option then the rro.
Its not about the height, its about how it works. wheel travel. Not designing a "lift" we are designing a suspension system that increase capability. Keeping wheels on the ground more, means more traction, better capability off road, there will be less issues compared to the offerings now. You cannot lift anymore than 2" on patriots. go buy a JK if you want that kind of lift.

And NO. a 1.5" lift would not be worth 99 dollars when it comes with matched springs, monotube shocks with more travel and load carrying, and better ride. Plus new more stout control arms, bushings, sway bar disconnects etc. Dollars don't equal inches.

You fail to see what is being worked out here.

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